[quote who="Jythier" reply="25" id="3266282"] What exactly am I supposed to be speaking to here? If the earth is 6000 years old, and the oldest you can go back is 21 centuries before Christianity, then you have only gone back 2100 years... where's the conflict?[/quote] You have an amazing tact for oversimplifications. I don’t expect you will be more forthcoming with information t
[video]http://youtu.be/Rm9bV5_hEeI[/video] Climate Change by - Baud2Bits http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm9bV5_hEeI Climate change isn’t all that complicated except for all the political opinions offered as somehow meaningful. Do you really care about the modeling in the face of the data collected? The simple fact is that we are altering the earth’s natural hot/cold cycles and that is undeniable,
Well, I had expected more takers on this topic as everyone seems to think they are so well informed and knowledgeable. I think there is some confusion between ones level of understanding and the actual knowledge necessary to substantiate their understanding in the first place. I just happen to believe that the truth is obvious to even the most casual observer and it is our own fears, inhibitions and misconceptions that complicate the issues at hand. Personally I think we have a good grasp on
[quote]I don’t have a problem with atheists — each to his own comfort level — nonetheless, it is ridiculous for one of that inclination to get rattled to the extent that others of belief are denied their comfort. Atheism by definition is free from religion. Theists are free to believe as they see fit; atheists should look upon these " misguided" as pathetic but have the right to the "wrong" path. If, however, atheist take on the passion of "religion" in their belief that the
Neilo thanks … now to pick out some place for the forget-me-not tattoo. Any atheists want to chime in hahaha … seems the Christians are just speechless. All of the hullabaloo they create elsewhere is simply argumentative and predetermines a failed discourse. Strange, but the most betwixt us defining issues are their belief in god without proof … and our dis</s
[quote who="MasonM" reply="6" id="3100760"]Huh?[/quote]Sorry, but we seem to have a personality mismatch whenever we try to have a 'discourse' which usually turns out not to be very discourse-full at all ... so I was just dismissing myself from this discussion before that point is reached is all.
2 of 3: What OS are you running? The MFG of the drive (or laptop) should have some diagnostic programs that may help. I know WD has them... My experience is that most HDD failures are pretty obvious ... as in no boot up. Backing up ALL personal data first is definitely a must and unless you have two discreet hard drives, I would recommend an external drive such as one of the many different and economical books available. What did the CHKDSK reveal? Sorry I couldn’t be more helpful
I spent the better part of yesterday trying to find a minimally responsible expression of creation ‘science’ but was unable to, no real surprise there I suppose. What perplexes me is why biblical realists feel the need to try and use science to disprove evolution ... when it is that very same science they are trying to prove as unfounded in the first place? If there is a better way of shooting one’s own foot … I don’t know what that might be. The arguments I hav
[quote who="shadowtongue" reply="90" id="3097314"]Reply #90 shadowtongue[/quote]Catchy name ... almost as flamboyant as BoobzTwo, hahaha. Your points are pretty much spot on, congratulations. But what we and seemingly the rest of the scientific folk believe will not even put a chink in the protective armor theological folk don before battle. If one requires no proof (logic or common sense) whatsoever when making lifelong (and beyond) decisions … what proof (logic or common
[quote who="Seleuceia" reply="88" id="3096600"]That evolution occurred is associated with completely different evidence than how evolution occurred...[/quote]I think you are just creating a 'straw man' here. If your idea of ID differs from what the ID people themselves are stating, then we don't have much to discuss as I can only do 'personal' ID on a ‘personal’ level ... same for religious views … if one has their ‘personal’ ideas that varie
Humm, no takers huh ... that should tell us something important. If one is prone to be a biblical literalist, all fine and well, no skin off my nose ... don't call me is all. How about listing something externally generated as proof or even as a reason to consider ID as anything besides Creationism repackaged. Following is a simple demonstration of what I mean (my point of view) ... got anything besides a picture of Mt. Rushmore hahaha. [video]http://youtu.be/Z3SAGDZXLxI[/video]</
[quote who="pacov" reply="36" id="3095444"]See, the wording on that opens a whole can of worms, though.[/quote]Sorry, but I don't see this. There has to be a starting point ... somewhere all of us feel comfortable enough anyway to actually carry on a constructive conversation. In my book, self-honesty is as good a place to start as any. Don't get me wrong here because I know we believe a lot of things to be true which of itself doesn't make them so. I like to describe this as bein
[quote who="Neilo" reply="6" id="3095197"]Reply #6 Neilo[/quote]I just happen to subscribe to Hawking on YouTube or I probably never would have found the clip used in the OP. Same for the next clip in the post. If you really want to (who would in their right mind) hear some religious micro-babbling BS, NephilimFree on the tube is as good as it gets. I am just tired of people throwing this atheist religion shit in my face whenever they want to focus on anything besides the question at hand.</p
[quote who="RogueCaptain" reply="122" id="3094692"]It was a response to BoobzTwo calling me out Neilo, see below. I went out looking for an official source and dug up the church. This is actually an older discussion that somehow props up every time and again when me and her talk. Frankly I don't understand why something so simple has to get so complicated.[/quote]Well I don't either. All I asked you was “ What is the religion of atheism</s
[quote who="pacov" reply="30" id="3094830"]perhaps this all boils down to more of a conversation of how we break down barriers that keep people from gaining knowledge, then? [/quote]This sounds exhaustive ... but could prove interesting if not exactly satisfying. I think this would be most difficult at best if we don’t discuss why the barriers are set in place in the first place. A list of things we as a species lie to ourselves about (on purpose or otherwise) would probably rival the w
[quote who="Sinperium" reply="28" id="3094698"]A real conversation here would be one where people were honest about their own reasons for struggling with truths personally. Sadly, this is the internet.[/quote]David, I assume honesty is in all our minds (here, now) and I am not interested in someone who practices deceit. At a basic level, we need to understand the difference between a 'difference of opinion' and a ‘deceitful argument’. I think this need must be accomplished
[quote who="BoobzTwo" reply="9" id="3093019"]I can only envision such mental barriers as a protection factor … so the next question would be ‘protection from what?’ I see no reason why any sentient creature could have serious problems with bettering the old personal database. The only thing that comes to mind here is they are protecting themselves from the truth or at least what the truth could reveal or unravel. The perfect state of denial cannot be bridged by anything but
[quote who="Sinperium" reply="24" id="3094169"]The issue is that an internally dishonest person can cloud truth and honesty with the question followed by the inference, "Well there's no way to be sure."[/quote]Why do you write things like this. If there is even a small doubt as to your (someone else's) honesty ... end of conversation ... I know mine is intact. I do not see Lula as a dishonest person ... I view her to be intellectually dishonest because of her denial of the realities a
[quote who="RogueCaptain" reply="119" id="3093903"]That is according to reverend Mark Taylor. Go ahead and send all your reasons BoobzTwo why his Atheist faith is not a real religion but masquerades as one. What do you think should be done to this church as you don't believe Atheism is a faith?[/quote]Why would I be inclined to do this. I could care less what he does or claims to represent. As far as I can see anyone can claim to be whatever they want and build whatever seems useful to th
[quote who="SivCorp" reply="22" id="3094094"]So is it an absolute truth that there is no absolute truth??? Absolutely?[/quote]To minimize further dancing around ... why don't you take a stab at describing 'absolute truth' instead of just using the terms like they have been defined in any real usable manner … and see how many holes I can punch in your definition. First problem though would be to define ‘truth’ on its own merits so it should be a while before you
[quote who="Sinperium" reply="19" id="3093925"]My biggest stumbling block here is the "there really isn't any truth" perspective.[/quote]You missed the point entirely David. It is not so much that there is no truth to be told ... it just varies due to the complexities of living in a real world where we are NOT in absolute control of much besides ourselves. From a religious perspective, truth is implicated and administered as the word of god and that is fine if it suits ones purposes, but
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[quote who="pacov" reply="18" id="3093808"]Oh, but it is quite realistic. The common ground is the human experience, of which we all have some, eh.[/quote]You didn't seem to be interested in the remainder of my comment where I explained this??? Not all experience is useful here and yes there are some common ones but they are the ones taken for granted like eating, breathing and sleeping, useless things to build a rapport on. Try taking a devout Muslim raised in the desert totally in the e
Well my windows experience index on the 'big boy' is 5.9 based on the HDD data transfer rate ... everything else if 7.2 or higher (is that good today?) ... and 4.5 due to the video card on my soon to be target. I am guessing this may necessitate solid state drives for a starter. Any idea what index number I should shoot for ... or is it all benchmarks today? I have the 3DMark something or another around here ... that would probably be more specific.
[quote who="pacov" reply="15" id="3093515"]However, if an idea is controversial to you or something that you wouldn't normally be inclined to believe (or even discuss), developing rapport and perhaps empathy makes the difference. [/quote]Looks real good on paper but not overly realistic I think, all things considered. On a personal level (where we like to communicate) this should work well enough in theory assuming at least some common ground and experience. But when dealing with organiza
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