Start11 v2.0 Public Preview Feedback Thread

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With the Start11 v2.0 Public Preview release, we are creating this thread so that users can report any observed issues.  

Obtaining the product

Object Desktop members can get the release from within Object Desktop Manager 

Individual purchases (as well as Object Desktop Members) can also be obtained from your account page: https://store.stardock.com/myaccount/products

For guest check-out purchase (no account), from this link: http://www.stardock.com/support/productkeyretrieval

Reporting an issue

Please include the following for anything found:

  • Exact Windows version \ build (winver.exe)

  • Detailed steps to recreate the issue seen

  • Screenshots and videos are very helpful.  Videos can be uploaded to a cloud drive service (GoogleDrive, DropBox, OneDrive, YouTube), with a shared link included in your post.  Images can be copied and pasted directly into a post.

  • If there are specific apps that the app does not work (well) with, please note what apps and their exact versions.  If any app is not common, a link to a trial version would be appreciated.

Thank you for your interest and any time you put into making Start11 a better product.

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Reply #1 from Stardock Forums Top

Start11 v2.0.2 Changelog (Released 10/31/2023)

10/31/2023

  • Released

  • Start11 5-Pack upgrade is now available

10/30/2023

  • Beta version updated to 2.0.0.2

  • Beta install file was initially Start11_2.0.0.2-j36-Setup.exe. Replaced with Start11_2.0.0.2-j37-Setup.exe as there was an odd issue with the intaller window being small for some reason.

  • Change to have UI disable pick a custom color options when mica is enabled and the menu will ignore any set color

  • Resolved issue with Win pro style where quick list is sometimes cut shorter than it could be depending on menu style settings

  • Filtered a rogue menu entry from the Control panel on some systems when a menu

  • Added setting in the menu to set row count for tabs to set all the tabs in the group to the same height.  On by default

  • Resolved issue with the taskbar on top and popup menus needing to be multiple columns end up bottom aligned rather than top aligned

  • Resolved issue with hiding user icon leaving space at the top of the menu when you are using top aligned taskbar

  • Resolved very short tab names being swapped with the tab index instead.  Note that tabs with no name would still have the tab index

  • Resolved issue with hide from apps option under the more submenu on Win11 and Win Pro and Win Launcher styles not showing correctly

  • Shift right-click menu on pinned items with enhanced taskbar enabled now offers ‘Run as other user’ if applicable

  • Tweaked corner painting for shadows as Edge was being lost on new menu styles

  • Stopped universal apps defaulting into subfolders as this mirrors the OS

  • Resolved icon loading for iTunes

  • Tweak spacing on all apps list to be slightly bigger for Win11, Win Pro and Win Launcher styles

  • Resolved Fences groups vanishing from the menu on changes due to not saving the new group data/

10/27/2023

  • Beta branch created versioned as 2.0.0.1
    Beta can be downloaded client account page or Object Destkop Manager (ODM) with ‘Show betas’ check in Options

  • Updated config exe only to fix the reading of font size settings not working correctly.

  • Resolved issue with Pin installed app menu not letting you pin from a submenu and instead launching the app.

  • Resolved issue with ‘this parameter is incorrect’ error when enabling menu backgrounds and grid backgrounds

  • Resolved issue with taskbar popup menus not correctly handling virtual folders

  • Adjusted pinned taskbar suggested apps list to be limited to 14 items

  • Corrected positioning of the menus when links in the quick access shortcut list are set to open menus for Win11/App/Pro styles

  • Added arrows indicating quick access shortcut list entries are menus on Pro style

  • Added option for narrow right-hand side of Win Pro style menu

  • Added option to hide user icon for Win Pro and Win Launcher style menus

  • Resolved issue with logout & shutdown menus showing on the wrong screen when using the Win10 style menu when there is a monitor on the left of the menu.

  • Resolved runtime error issue with pinned items for some users without VC runtimes installed

  • Tweaked detection of Win taskbar mode in config on OOBE

  • Resolved issue with renaming icons

  • Fixed sync typo on advanced settings option for Win10/11/Launcher/Pro/App menu styles

  • Resolved canceling tab drag with escape left menu in tab dragging mode for painting until a click on the menu happened

  • OS pin syncing was adjusted to avoid possible issues with reimporting in error

  • Resolved issue with some missing jumplists

  • Resolved issue with popup menus on side of Win7/Modern menu showing access denied

  • Resolved issue with tooltips on Win7/Modern menu right hand side showing numbers for some items

  • Added support for hide search field when not searching to Windows App style/Pro style/ Launcher style menus

  • Resolved issue with showing icon on shutdown button in Win7/Modern style

Release 

Please see the Start11 v2 press release for changes and features.

https://forums.stardock.com/523413/stardock-announces-start11-v2

Reply #2 from Stardock Forums Top

Known issues

While we appreciate all feedback, please remember that we offer no official support for beta \ preview \ developer channel versions of Windows. If you report issues while in any of those early release channels, you should not expect them to be addressed unless it still exists in a retail version of Windows.

10/26/2023

  • Start menu folder groups need a manual refresh (right-click) if new files are added to a folder.
  • Adding a network drive as a taskbar folder group may render inconsistently and hinder menu open speed.
  • WindowBlinds skins will not skin the new styles
  • Language localization will be very spotty (good in some places, bad in others).  This will improve over time and as we approach a general release.
  • Start11 v2 icon in ODM is a placeholder fixed

  • Within the a few hours after release, there were reports of System Tray issues on Windows 10 only:
    https://forums.stardock.com/523337/get;3906807
    https://forums.stardock.com/523337/get;3906810

    We quickly tested a fix and deployed it. 

    If you installed on Windows 10 and are seeing missing System tray icons or functionality, please redownload from your account page, install, reboot, and it should be resolved.

    Thanks to rmai2store and ljferdinand for quickly bringing this to our attention.

10/27/2023
All are considered resolved with 2.0.0.2

  • We are aware of some app flyouts showing empty for Windows 7 and Modern menu types (credit David Frischknecht)


    And that icons for certain app flyouts are not rendering properly (credit David Frischknecht)


  • We have identified an 'Access Denied' error for flyout menus as well as a shutdown icon issue.  It will be fixed in the next release (credit stonemoshed)
    Start Menu

  • We are aware of a pin launch error when accessing a pinned folder and are looking into it


  • We are aware of an error when trying to see a custom menu background
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Reply #3 from Stardock Forums Top

***Reserved***

Reply #5 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting rmai2store, reply 4

Start11 V2 breaks system tray.

 

Im seeing this too.

Reply #6 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting rmai2store, reply 4

Start11 V2 breaks system tray.

Quoting ljferdinand, reply 5


Quoting rmai2store,
reply 4

Start11 V2 breaks system tray.

Im seeing this too.

Win10 or 11?

If your system is fully booted, you see the issue still, but then restart Windows File Explorer manually, does it render correctly then?

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #7 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting sdRohan, reply 6


Quoting rmai2store,
reply 4

Start11 V2 breaks system tray.




Quoting ljferdinand,
reply 5






Quoting rmai2store,

reply 4


Start11 V2 breaks system tray.

Im seeing this too.



Win10 or 11?

If your system is fully booted, you see the issue still, but then restart Windows File Explorer manually, does it render correctly then?



Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

 

Using windows 10 Build 19045.3570

 

And i did try restarting Explorer but that didnt work so went back to V1.

 

P.S Is this help i didnt do a dirty install.  I uninstalled  V1 kepping the settings & restarting installed V2 and restarted.

Reply #8 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting ljferdinand, reply 7

Using windows 10 Build 19045.3570
 

And i did try restarting Explorer but that didnt work so went back to V1.
 

P.S Is this help i didnt do a dirty install.  I uninstalled  V1 kepping the settings & restarting installed V2 and restarted.

We were able to reproduce an issue on Win10 with the systray.  We are testing a fix as we speak.  Keep an eye on this thread for an update.

Thank you for the prompt feedback.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #10 from Stardock Forums Top

ljferdinand, rmai2store, we have updated the build. 

Please delete the current installer file you may have in your \My Downloads and install the one now served from your account pages:

https://store.stardock.com/myaccount/products

(installing over what you have is fine)

Reboot and let us know ASAP, please.

Again, thanks for the heads up.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

 

Reply #11 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting loginadmin, reply 9

https://forums.stardock.com/521665/page/1/#3899522

 

this issue is still not fixed

The current release preview does not have much in the way of taskbar changes other than the new pinning options.  The next update is planned to have some taskbar enhancements and thats when we will be looking at things like that.

Reply #12 from Stardock Forums Top

on windows 11 newest build, bottom right corner tray account is missing a lot of app icons on reboot.  I have to fully uninstall start11 v2 in order to see the icon back, gonna reinstall v1 again...

 
Reply #13 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting loginadmin, reply 12

on windows 11 newest build, bottom right corner tray account is missing a lot of app icons on reboot.  I have to fully uninstall start11 v2 in order to see the icon back, gonna reinstall v1 again...

If you redownload the v2 installer this is probably addressed as we fixed a problem with system tray icons.  The installer was replaced so you must download the new one.

Reply #15 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting sdRohan, reply 10

ljferdinand, rmai2store, we have updated the build. 

Please delete the current installer file you may have in your \My Downloads and install the one now served from your account pages:

https://store.stardock.com/myaccount/products

(installing over what you have is fine)

Reboot and let us know ASAP, please.

Again, thanks for the heads up.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

 

This works.  Thanks Sean.

Reply #16 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting ljferdinand, reply 15

This works.  Thanks Sean.

tyvm for the feedback and update, ljferdinand.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #18 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting loginadmin, reply 14

you mean this link here to download v2 right? 

https://store.stardock.com/myaccount/products 

the one i downloaded was like 3 hours ago

Yes.  It will be serving an identically named file but updated. 

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #19 from Stardock Forums Top

A couple of bugs

1. The option to [hide search bar unless searching] is not working on the new start menu styles

2. Changing pages via the mouse wheel now requires the start menu to be at a certain height (i.e. it cant be short in height) in order to switch pages even with blank space on the menu.

A couple of suggestions

I would like to see some more customization on the [windows pro style]

1. The folder on the side is great. But is also a little wide for my taste and I would like the ability to make it slightly more narrow to free up space

2. I would also like the option to toggle on or off the user name / picture to free up space

edit- additional bug

Unpinning or pinning apps changes universally across windows 11 style, windows app style, windows pro style, and windows launcher style. Why this matters to me is because on Windows 11 style I will pin folders, but in Windows pro style there is no longer that need as the side menu takes care of it. I suppose if I decide to fully adopt a new menu style it won't matter in the long run.

Reply #20 from Stardock Forums Top

There are a couple of issues with Start 11 v2 on Windows 11 when using either the Windows 7 style or Modern style.

Firstly, the option to show icon on shutdown button results in a corrupted icon. This occurs even if I opt for modern style glyphs.

Secondly, any Quick access shortcuts that are set to Display as menu, show a greyed out <Access denied> and the floating tooltip displays a number. For example, Windows Tools, has a floating 15, Universal Applications has a floating 21.

Start Menu

(I was unable to screenshot the floating number)

 

Edition           Windows 11 Pro
Version           22H2
Installed on    ‎01/‎10/‎2023
OS build         22621.2428
Experience     Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22674.1000.0



Reply #21 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting stonemoshed, reply 20

Secondly, any Quick access shortcuts that are set to Display as menu, show a greyed out and the floating tooltip displays a number. For example, Windows Tools, has a floating 15, Universal Applications has a floating 21.

I was able to reproduce this. 

Internal Ref: ODNT-7359

Quoting stonemoshed, reply 20

Firstly, the option to show icon on shutdown button results in a corrupted icon. This occurs even if I opt for modern style glyphs.

Do you mean this option?

https://support.stardock.com/space/SHC/1442742288/Start11+v1+UI%3A+Windows+10+Style#Power-Menu-Options

Thanks for the feedback.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Reply #22 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting sdRohan, reply 21


Quoting stonemoshed,
reply 20

Secondly, any Quick access shortcuts that are set to Display as menu, show a greyed out and the floating tooltip displays a number. For example, Windows Tools, has a floating 15, Universal Applications has a floating 21.



I was able to reproduce this. 

Internal Ref: ODNT-7359


Quoting stonemoshed,
reply 20

Firstly, the option to show icon on shutdown button results in a corrupted icon. This occurs even if I opt for modern style glyphs.



Do you mean this option?

https://support.stardock.com/space/SHC/1442742288/Start11+v1+UI%3A+Windows+10+Style#Power-Menu-Options

Thanks for the feedback.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant this option:

Reply #23 from Stardock Forums Top

How should I upgrade from 1.47.3 to 2.0 to prevent loosing my current configuration?

Using a set of screenshots?

Reply #24 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting DominiqueFaure, reply 23

How should I upgrade from 1.47.3 to 2.0 to prevent loosing my current configuration?

Using a set of screenshots?

Answering my own question :)

  1. Install v2 onto 1.47.3
  2. Reboot
  3. Activate
  4. That's all - all seems to be here...

Looking at the configuration, I just noticed that the taskbar parameters weren't editable (the taskbar being seen as handled by another tool).

Anyway, I did a settings backup to file, followed by a settings reset and a restore, and the taskbar parameters are editable again.

Reply #25 from Stardock Forums Top

Talking of settings backup to file, I also noticed a bug:

  • The feature work as expected when saving to a new file.
  • When selecting an existing file, there's no overwriting confirmation question and the process/configuration windows is frozen.