Start11 1.15 Beta Feedback Thread

Start11 1.15 Changelog

Known Issues

This release contains an in-house-built taskbar and is one of the more ambitious projects we have undertaken with Start11.  As a result, the first beta may have a few more rough edges than the previous Start11 betas.

• Autohide taskbar feature only works on the primary monitor
• Applying a custom color to the taskbar results in the areas of the system tray and behind the Start11 menu to not apply color as expected
• Dragging an item to the taskbar may result in unexpected activity including crashing explorer.

With the release of 1.2 beta (1.16 file version), we are closing this thread.

Thanks to all that took the time to test and provide feedback.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Support Manager

While running on Windows 11 build 22000.556.

Right clicking start button results in an off centered menu that is also misaligned with the mouse pointer

additional bugs

* start configuration menu has animation stuttering (The actual start menu itself is working well)

feature request

* I would like the "never combined tabs" to always have a visual indentation to show they are tabs. i.e. like they show when a tab is selected.

Overall I would rate this as a very good build. Good job to all the developers that have made this possible

Multi-mon software (DisplayFusion, etc)?

What are the DPI and resolution for the (1?) monitor?

Sean Drohan
Stardock Support Manager

1 monitor with no multi monitor software

I am currently using 1080p at 125 DPI

I will also add that I updated Windows 11 Beta channel at the same time as I installed the start 11 update which may have been a mistake. It makes it hard to determine where the issue lays.

Windows 11 build 22000.556 which was just released.

Were you willing, I would like to try and burn it and reinstall:

https://forums.stardock.com/505872/start11-support-faq#reinstalling

Sean Drohan
Stardock Support Manager

I tried resizing from 1080p to 4k and the taskbar hung at the 1080p position for about 5 minutes before switching into the correct position. The right click issue also persists at the new resolution.

I have done that and I have made a discovery on the issue. While the purge did not fix the issue, I have found that the issue's I am experiencing ONLY happens when I have "Let start 11 manage the task bars" switched to "on" and never combined selected. If this is switched to "off", everything works as normal.

I am able to repro this issue and have it flagged it internally for tracking.

So 2 questions.

1. Since Start11 will use its own taskbar does that mean it will replace all taskbars in a multi-mon setup?

2. Would I be correct in guessing that when WB11 comes around the new Taskbar will be completely skinable?

Also good work on the never combine. I had to actually buy StartAllBack for this option as there is no chance in hell I could twist my workflow to work without it.

All taskbars support the uncombine yes.  You also have the option to group or not on secondary taskbars separately from the primary taskbar.

With regards to skinning, exactly what will skin in a future WB11 isn't yet decided.  There are OS changes coming down the pipeline which may impact taskbar skinning and in fact window skinning to a degree.  Windows 11 is alas never done which makes things significantly harder to develop software of that nature as we never want to be in a position to offer a feature only to have to remove it in the future due to OS changes.

Sounds great. I definitely understand the "Forever beta" nature of windows. One of my main concerns was I use "Actual Multiple Monitors" Multi-mon taskbar which works great but is by no means compat with WB at all. It's only saving grace was you can elect to not replace the main taskbar so at least one would be skinned.

I do have a weird issue with one program I use. Using the MSFT taskbar when moving the program from one monitor to another its button doesn't follow to the new taskbar. AMM taskbar does work (no idea how they do it) Im curious to see if it works with Start11's taskbar. If so I can ditch AMM entirely. Im currently on W10 now does the 1.15 beta also use its own taskbar on 10 or just on 11 only? If 11 only I do have a VM I can test it in.

You can only use it on Windows 11.

It supports show all apps on all taskbars, show apps on primary monitor and the monitor it is on and show apps just on the taskbar thats on the monitor the window is on.

Thanks Neil I'll give it a try. The problem is for this one program Even with the setting to show apps on the taskbar its on the monitor of in windows 10's default taskbar it still doesn't work. Oddly enough the same program doesn't work with groupy's "One taskbar button" option either. I may bump that thread too as no one has responded since last Oct. I'll report back shortly.

Thanks again for the work.

No it doesn't work at all. In fact no taskbar button is displayed on any monitor.

** EDIT **

I managed to get a button to appear somehow however it does not move when moving the window to another monitor. It also does not minimize/restore when clicking the button.

TIME, INPUT Method, Sound....Shows up at wrong position....

Quoting Narusegawa, reply 17

No it doesn't work at all. In fact no taskbar button is displayed on any monitor.

** EDIT **

I managed to get a button to appear somehow however it does not move when moving the window to another monitor. It also does not minimize/restore when clicking the button.

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Where can we get that app from to test with?

If it doesn't work right with Windows itself odds are it is a bug in the app itself, but it would be nice to see if we can workaround it.

Glitch on 2nd monitor:

Sometimes the slide-out menus for network/volume and clock are missing or misaligned, same with the right-click menus, also including the right-click menu from the task bar. Most of the time they end up showing by the start button when they should be centered on the mouse or the system tray.

Great insight here!

Perhaps a bit simplistic, but if you could get some sort of custom indentation of the taskbar tabs and buttons (i.e. color, transparency, and / or blur) then you would already have all the tools that are really needed to customize the taskbar.

yes it is definately the program. It was written in the w95/98 era and slightly updated for vista. It doesnt work well with windows taskbar either however actual multiple monitors taskbar works fine.

It also has issues with groupy I made a post about it some time back.

Link to TIGCC which GCC4TI is a fork of.

Here's a link to the github repo for GCC4TI

And here's the groupy post i made before Incompatibilities with GCC4TI in groupy

I have no idea how AMM works around it and they haven't responded to me. I do know the IDE is written in pascal and the main window of the ide is actually an "owned" window of a hidden top level window. It's that owner window that gets the TB button. Not sure what (if anything) can be done but I really dont want to have to write another IDE to replace it with lol.

Some softwares open just 1 file, TB shows 2 icons....

Quoting lorlno111, reply 24

Some softwares open just 1 file, TB shows 2 icons....

 

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Thank you for the bug report.  We have resolved this for the next update.