Again still waiting for a specific example of your experiences. Why don't you provide some examples of open persecution of Hmongs?

Gid you seem to think I stated that Wisconsin isn't a racist state. I didn't say that, but it is no more or less racist than anyplace else. I tend to believe that people are given a pretty fair shake here because we don't have a lot of race issues, being pre-dominantly white. What do you want me to do about it?

Your perspective is different than mine. Appleton is the only place I have called my home for years. I know this town quite well. You go ahead and make any claim you want Gid, I'm not going to just say the opposite because you say something, and then provide nothing to back it.

What street did you live on in Oshkosh?

"And how conveniently you miss the KKK rallies in Madison."

Would you be talking about this one that was canceled because of public outcry in 1999?

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/07/0354218

Why don't you before you go any farther, provide some back up to what you have already stated. Until you do, don't expect me to participate in discussion with you, without any credibility whatsoever coming from your side of the discussion.

Thanks.

You mean the ones the news agencies DON'T report?

Do you want the tale of the factory worker (Lamico, if you must know the business) who was forced from her job because of racial epithets painted on her car? She told management, of course, and they allowed her to park her car in front of the windows where the workers could keep an eye on it. The vandalism continued, yet although it happened under the eye of the workers, nobody saw a damn thing! For the record, I worked in a department where I was unable to see what was going on, so there was nothing I could do.

The racism followed this woman home. She was harassed at home routinely.

Or I could tell the tale of the man who stood on the street corner with his two year old son in the stroller shouting obscenities at the Hmong family who lived across the street. When asked what he was doing, he replied "training my son up right!"

Or we could get less obvious, less esoteric, and talk about the literally hundreds of "water cooler" discussions that stereotyped Hmongs, caricatured their race, treated them as less than human and spread lies about them. The kind of things newspaper reporters are loathe to report but that I found to be commonplace in Wisconsin. And again, I did spend a good deal of time in Appleton, and, in fact, most of the activities of our homeschool organization were centered in/around Appleton. My children, by the way, were born in Neenah, so I'd say we pretty much travelled throughout the Fox River Valley.



I fail to see how that makes any difference. If it's somehow relevant (I'm guessing your purpose is that you're questioning whether I actually LIVED there), I'll name two: Monroe and Jefferson.



You don't SEE a lot of the racist issues, Dan.

What I want you to do about it is move out of the glass house, Dan. Don't condemn southerners for what you view as racism, when it is just as pervasive, just as persistent, where you live.

You've launched outright attacks on LW simply for her being honest. Do I "approve" of her colorful language? Not usually. But since I'm not her censor, I fail to see where I get a vote. Free speech is utterly dependent on defending the speech we don't like, and the LW's of the world are FAR easier to deal with due to their honesy than the racists who hide in the shadows and in their social clubs.

Hmongs are a group of people from Laos/Cambodia. As I understand it, they are a tribal culture. They assisted the US Army during Vietnam and after, and basically have no home because many of their countrymen feel them to be traitors.

And so, they were brought over en masse to the United States, where many of them settled in the midwest. There is a great deal of culture clash and outright racism directed in these areas against Hmongs, despite what Dan Greene would have you believe. And it occasionally turns violent. A few years back, a Hmong hunter was arrested after shooting several white hunters. He claimed they shouted racial slurs at him, and the survivors denied it. The hunter was convicted and is serving multiple life sentences (there is no death penalty in Wisconsin). Given my experience with the prejudice against Hmongs in Wisconsin, I am inclined to believe the account of the shooter, even if it didn't justify his actions.

In January, near Green Bay (which is about 40 miles from Dan's utopia), a Hmong hunter was shot by a white hunter. The motivation is suspected to be racial.

Another tidbit you fail to mention when you hold Appleton up as the beacon of enlightenment while Oshkosh is just a backwater burg (NOT an uncommon attitude in those parts, I must say): Appleton (this beacon on the hill) is also the publishing hone of the New American, the flagship publication of...(drumroll please): the JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY. While the JBS is not overtly racist, there is not a particular shortage of racists among their ranks.

I am unaware of the vandalism event you describe nor can I find any record of it happening. Please show me a site if you will.

I further believe that your description of the hunting incident is lacking a few key factors. First that the man in question was trespassing, second that he shot and killed several members of the hunting party, fled the scene, and changed his story a few times.

"Don't condemn southerners for what you view as racism, when it is just as pervasive, just as persistent, where you live."

That's your assertion, that it is as persistent and pervasive. My side of the country chose to ally on the side of union rather than succession. My point, race is not nearly the factor you say it is, in Wisconsin.

"Given my experience with the prejudice against Hmongs in Wisconsin, I am inclined to believe the account of the shooter, even if it didn't justify his actions."

It may be that the place you worked at or whatever, in the 90's, allowed and tolerated these kinds of "water cooler" discussions about people of other races. Fact is I have seen a few people discharged for such a thing in my working life during that time. In todays workplace, that is 2007, with as compeitive as it is, if you have "race issues" you also have "job issues" meaning if you can't get past other people being different or make comments of a racial nature, you won't be long employed by companies in this community.

Personally I just don't see that as acceptable topic for discussion in the workplace. Nor would it be tolerated by equal opportunity laws and practices by local communities.

You seem to think I am oblivious and naive about "the racism" but I am very conscience of people's beliefs and have been fortunate to not have to tolerate intolerance at work.

For the most part, that type of attitude springs from ignorance and lack of education. When I lived on the other side of Appleton I had Hmong neighbors, on this side I have four Hmong families that live on this street, it's not really a block sort of a round about route. I live on a street which is across from the Technical college, and there is an apartment complex where a lot of the student residents don't speak English as a first language. This was right next to the gas station I worked at. Today I work with a diverse group of people of many different races, religions and cultures. I have not yet gone to college seeking a two, four, or eight year education, but I did attend my siblings' graduation. At this there was a particular point made that there were students from over 100 countries on that campus. That was in Green Bay.

I find it extremely tiring, that you will make me and the readers jump through four different hoops to see a connection, between the citizens of Appleton, who run a publishing house that publishes, among other things, "The New American" and though this media, which as you say, doesn't advocate racism or racist activity, is a product of the "John Birch Society" which again, doesn't advocate racism or racist activity, but that there are racists that belong to "the society".

Gid this kind of thing is IRRESPONSIBLE and INEXCUSABLE! If I could ban you for being full of shit I would lol.

How do you go from "Appleton being racist by nature" to a being home to a press that publishes a publication in which a lot of readers are racist? That's such a load. Appleton bears no responsibility for printing racist material. You are so full of shit I can't even begin to find the motivation to continue to point it out.

Do yourself a favor, if you don't like Wisconsin fine, but move to another country like Iraq, or one that doesn't have the internet, say, North Korea.

"Free speech is utterly dependent on defending the speech we don't like"

Nobody said anything about taking away your right Whips right to use racist language. It's against the TOU but not a crime. Nor should it be. Also badmouthing Wisconsin is fine too. The kicker is, nobody takes your assertions about Wisconsin or Whips about race any farther than amusement because that's all they count for. Not fact, not correlation, not wise words, nothing but amusement.

Poor amusement at that.

Anybody got more to talk about Vick or shall we close this one down?

No, idiot boy. The OFFICES are there. The EDITOR and STAFF for the publication work there!



Again, it didn't get reported. I WITNESSED IT!

So if it doesn't get reported it didn't happen, eh, DAN?

And I love your "love it or leave it" crap. So now if I don't embrace Wisconsin, I'm not allowed in this country, is that it, oh most high liberal of liberals?

By the way, I didn't want to say it, since you referred to just the publishing house, but the John Birch Society itself is based in Appleton. You can look it up if you'd like, Dan, but obviously facts are irrelevant to you. At 25, you know all there is to know. Good luck with that.

By the way, before you call me a liar for saying their headquarters are in Appleton, would you consider their webpage a credible source?

WWW Link

"Again still waiting for a specific example of your experiences. Why don't you provide some examples of open persecution of Hmongs?"

"I am unaware of the vandalism event you describe nor can I find any record of it happening. Please show me a site if you will."

Personal experiences often don't get on the news. If you want news articles, ask for news articles. If you want personal experience, you can't really ask for a source besides the source.

A little more on your "enlightened" state, Dan. Here, from the Southern Poverty Law Center, are the Neo-Nazi groups in Wisconsin. I can't read the name of the city of the first one listed. Can YOU?

Appleton · Aryan Nations
Neo-Nazi



Green Bay · National Socialist Movement - NSM
Neo-Nazi



Madison · National Socialist Movement - NSM
Neo-Nazi



Milwaukee · National Socialist Movement - NSM
Neo-Nazi
· New Order
Neo-Nazi



WWW Link

Note Oshkosh is conspicuously absent on the list.

The next time you want to call me a liar, Dan, do your research. I HAVE.

"Personal experiences often don't get on the news. If you want news articles, ask for news articles. If you want personal experience, you can't really ask for a source besides the source."

In Wisconsin, that is the point, this kinda stuff does make news because it is not typical.

Gid Neo-Nazi's are everywhere. That doesn't mean, that they constitute a majority of Appletonians, Wisconsinites, or that you aren't full of shit.

"And I love your "love it or leave it" crap. So now if I don't embrace Wisconsin, I'm not allowed in this country, is that it, oh most high liberal of liberals?"

Words you pulled out of your ass and are trying to put into my mouth.

"By the way, I didn't want to say it, since you referred to just the publishing house, but the John Birch Society itself is based in Appleton. You can look it up if you'd like, Dan, but obviously facts are irrelevant to you. At 25, you know all there is to know. Good luck with that."

Yea so maybe you should bug somebody else with your banter. Just because some organizations who are racist or have a racist agenda exist in Appleton, does not mean they do not exist in places where are more or less racist than Appleton. The community reflects a diverse crowd, the fact that there are a minority who choose to be ignorant and respectful of other races does not in fact make them a majority or the rest of the community "racist by nature"

End of discussion on that point, from my perspective. I will happily acknowledge that there is a segment of every community that doesn't want outsiders or people who the perceive as different but the idea that that segment is anymore or less than anyplace else or in fact the majority is flat out wrong. Call me uninformed or naive and too little and young to grasp such a concept as hidden racist agenda, justify your need for the community as you remember it to be a racist place, or whatever. I'm done listening to it.

"Negro is not a racist term," I agree. Start paying attention, actually reading what I post, to what is posted and you'd see the N word I am talking about is not NEGRO!

"If you want news articles, ask for news articles."

I just did.

"I am unaware of the vandalism event you describe nor can I find any record of it happening. Please show me a site if you will."

And I answered.

Maybe I should try to find the lady and tell her it never happened because Dan Greene wants to poke his head in the sand and ignore the racism that is RAMPANT in his state.



You've got it backwards, Dan. News is made WHEN something isn't typical.

Look at fender benders. They never make the news. Because they happen multiple times a day. Multi car wrecks or plane crashes DO make the news because they DON'T happen every day.

In your alternate reality, 9/11 would have never made the news because it "is not typical"!



No, they're NOT everywhere, Dan. There were only a few places in Wisconsin, and Appleton, which YOU tried to hold up as a model of racial tolerance, is one of them.



Nope, words you SAID, Dan.



91% white is not diverse, Dan. I find it interesting that YOU are the expert on Wisconsin, while my wife, who is older than you and lived there her ENTIRE LIFE until 4 years ago, is somehow ignorant on the topic. Or, for that matter, that I am ignorant on the topic, seeings how I lived there from a time when you were in grade school until a few short years ago. I called your crap on this one, Dan, and your responses are weak and you KNOW it.



Because I verbally kicked your lily white ASS!

And here's a little free time reading for you, Dan, if you can pull your head out of your liberal spin magazines:



WWW Link

Nope, I chose you because I'm tired of your self righteous attacks from inside your glass house, Dan.

The truth is, racism exists everywhere, and no region has a monopoly on it. But YOU made several statements to the effect that Appleton was particularly safe from racism, even going so far as to call me a liar when I related a personal experience and to invite me to leave the country if I didn't love Wisconsin. You held Appleton, Wisconsin up as a paragon of virtue and when I proved otherwise, you backpedaled.

You state there are hate groups "everywhere", yet to my recollection, there are more than 12 cities in Wisconsin. The fact that Appleton is home to one of twelve neo-nazi groups in the state, as WELL as to the ULTRA conservative John Birch Society says a lot, especially given Appleton's size of just over 100,000 people.

And, again, since you continually claim you did not demand that I leave the country because I criticized Wisconsin, here is the ORIGINAL quote.



It's pretty clear you're asking me to leave the country.

I disagree VERY strongly with your POV, Dan, but NEVER have I stated you don't have the right to that opinion (only that it is ill-informed), or that you should leave the country of your birth because of it. YOU DID say that to me!

You crossed the line, which is ironic since you're spending so much time accusing another blogger of doing so!

*correction* LW's stats put Appleton at 70,000, which is the more accurate figure.

If it is such a racist and awful place why did you live here for the better part of a decade?

Asking you to move to another country was a joke, but asking you to stop whining wasn't.

"One tenth of one percent blacks and you brag about how little racism there is there? HAHAHAHAHA! There ain't no racism because it's a pretty damned homogenous community, dontcha think?"

So what you are saying is there is and is not racism? I really don't understand why this is such an issue with you Gid, certainly if it is so important why did you pack up and leave?

Fact is you make it seem like this is a country no matter where people live, of bigots, and maybe in certain places it is more than it is not. Contrary to your popularization of the theme, we don't have people burning down churches because of racial motivation, we don't have people burning crosses on each others lawns, we don't have the federal government coming into our towns and cities to clean up our schools because we are segregating classrooms.

The vandalism incident you talk about, how do you know that was racially motivated?

"You held Appleton, Wisconsin up as a paragon of virtue and when I proved otherwise, you backpedaled."

Yep you win, so tell us more about Appleton, tell us all about it. Tell us about how we drink tang for lunch every day, get down on our knees and pray to Allah five times a day. Tell about how we drive in the left lane and in reverse and how the one ways point in the opposite direction we turn.

The census only counts legal citizens of which as you all know, each city is home to many illegal citizens, beyond that, there is a pretty large maybe 1 or 2 percent of the population who is here from foreign nations studying at Lawrence University and the Fox Valley Tech.

I really don't care for the tone of your "I got you and I'm better than you" responses Gid. Like this. "Because I verbally kicked your lily white ASS!"

Really is that how a mature adult makes a point? I guess on JU its ok but really, would you be caught making a point like that to anybody you knew in person? Maybe your experiences, which you take as racially inspired are really just the majority uh "white people" not liking your smug attitude.

Let me ask you. Did you ever have someone burn a cross on your lawn? Key your car? Use a racial slur describing you in public? Did you hear a gas station attendant say the "N" word to you but didn't say anything to him?

Do you have any "PERSONAL" experiences of racism directed at you here in my town at all, or is it all just third party, and hearsay bologna that you concoct in the absence of anything relevant to back yourself up?

Sure you can point out a KKK group in Appleton, Appleton is the 5th largest metropolitan area in Wisconsin, whoever this John Birch guys is, I've never heard of him until you mention it, supposedly some racist or whatever, but there are plenty of people represented, like I said, it's a diverse community. We seem to be able to get along with a pretty low crime rate and the businesses of which I have been a part of do not tolerate racist attitudes.

That's my perspective, I respect that you have a differing opinion but just because you have an opinion, without any factual news articles to support does not make it factual.

This is beside the point of this thread anyway, I'm not sure why you continue to pursue it. Appleton is not alone in the Fox Valley and combined there are well over 200,000 people here, so please don't try to make Appleton out to be some white Eskimo city so far north we are oblivious to the problems of society. We have problems I never said we didn't, I just DISAGREED WITH YOUR CHARACTERIZATION THAT APPLETON IS "RACIST BY NATURE" Opps, was my caps lock on?

Does having a disagreeing opinion make me wrong automatically GID. By the way where were you when we were discussing MICHAEL VICK, being that you have such a relevant perspective on race and race relations, I would assume you had something to say about it. I guess not huh.

Ok, uh. Since I'm WHITE, I'd have to say the racial incidents haven't been directed at me, Dan. Do you have to be black to even OBSERVE racism now?



Well, when the "N" word was put repeatedly on the woman's car and a dead raccoon dropped in her mailbox, I'd have a hard time thinking it had to do with the woman's fashion choices, Dan-O



MORE than a decade, Dan. 12 > 10.

Now that the math lesson's out of the way: I never said it was an awful place. Racism exists everywhere, Dan. That's a sad truth of life. It's not exclusive to a region, or for that matter, an ethnic group.



Nope. Point me to the post where I claimed to be a mature adult!



I have plenty to say about it. Vick's RACE has nothing to do with his crime, and you know it.

My issue, Dan, was with you getting on your throne and running LW down as a racist because of her terminology. YOU first played the race card, I did not. I'm tired of seeing the South and my friends run down as racists by self righteous northerners who have a pretty big beam to pull out of their own eye before pulling the speck out of ours.

As for your not having heard of John Birch, Dan, that shows you have a lot to learn.

I don't have any personal feelings towards you one way or another, Dan. But I'm personally fed up with the piling on and attacking people that you and others are so prone to engage in. I've proven what I set out to prove.

(Psst, Dan...a little info for ya from Wikipedia):

The school has a low number of American minority students: over 75% of the students identify as white. Lawrence does have a significant population of international students compared to its total student body and small size, about 12%.


WWW Link

Also important to note is that Lawrence is a private university of less than 1500 students.

Yup, 375 minority students makes a community of 70,000 "diverse".

"Ok, uh. Since I'm WHITE, I'd have to say the racial incidents haven't been directed at me, Dan. Do you have to be black to even OBSERVE racism now?"

If Wisconsin is so racist you'd be a victim of racism no matter what your color not? Or would you like to describe it as "reverse racism" LOL.

"Well, when the "N" word was put repeatedly on the woman's car and a dead raccoon dropped in her mailbox, I'd have a hard time thinking it had to do with the woman's fashion choices, Dan-O"

I guess I'm still looking for some proof you didn't make that up. So lets see it and I'll gladly concede the point to you. You seem to be really confident that proving Appleton and the Fox Valley is racist, go ahead and prove it.

"I have plenty to say about it. Vick's RACE has nothing to do with his crime, and you know it."

Agreed, so why jump all over me on the race angle for taking that stance from the beginning?

"My issue, Dan, was with you getting on your throne and running LW down as a racist because of her terminology. YOU first played the race card, I did not. I'm tired of seeing the South and my friends run down as racists by self righteous northerners who have a pretty big beam to pull out of their own eye before pulling the speck out of ours."

I see, well the fact that I don't use racial slurs and choose to go along with putting race into the description of people, in my mind, distinguishes me from those who do. Making decisions or judgments about people, over and beyond their actions, but based in part or in whole on race is what racism and stereotyping is all about.

There is nothing typical of black people being affiliated with dogfighting or being vicious, or semi-retarded, or greedy. There is also, only in Whips' mind, and others who make judgments of a person based on race, no correlation between attitudes of "self entitlement or resentment" which are chosen and influenced behaviors.

I guess what I am saying is people white or black chose make their choices, I can see how race but more specifically culture plays a role in influencing choices, but her description here, and in threads past, specifically the Michael Richards thing, demonstrate a pattern of racial hatred. If not blacks, Muslims. The fact that lots of blacks happen to also be Muslim I'm sure bothers to a degree beyond the sum of either.

Appleton is not a place that you can accurately describe like Milwaukee, or Los Angeles, where you would see a gang of teens attacking an old man, or rioters smashing a brick on someones head, or off duty police officers beating a man nearly to death. It just isn't that kind of place. Now if you want to say racism exists everywhere, no where will you find me in disagreement. But that's different than saying "Appleton is racist by nature" which is sensationalizing and over exaggerating the part race plays in the lives of the people of the Fox Valley, and what you stated, taking a shot at Appleton, a place you maybe have been to a dozen times or less in your life and I have lived.

"As for your not having heard of John Birch, Dan, that shows you have a lot to learn."

I have asked you several times for the benefit of myself and others to explain, why it is he seems to be a name worth noting. Please by all means, is he some Malcolm X or Louis Faracon? I've never heard of him, because he is probably largely irrelevant to mainstream society which is where I live and clearly your primary influences and fears are not.

"I don't have any personal feelings towards you one way or another, Dan. But I'm personally fed up with the piling on and attacking people that you and others are so prone to engage in."

For the record, this is the section of JU I post for myself. This thread was created by me. This topic was about Michael Vick, not race, not Appleton, and not Whip. She started posting on her own blog, about how I am oversensitive to her comments about race. When she couldn't lure me to post there, she came in here and tried to lure me into debating her racist banter and playing the victim. On her blog that's fine, I prefer to write about my topics differently.

As for pililng on, sometime what I write need clarification, and people also raise additional points or offer a counter perspective, or like you repeat the same assertion like you are writing a brick wall. At no time have I just added insults and I believe I posted in here requesting we drop the whole race angle because it is IRRELEVANT, and that we all stop trading the personal insults.

Show me where you did the same.

If you don't like what I write, you are free to leave and never come back. I don't think you have the right, when you say we should be jumping to protect racist banter, but you get fed up with what I have to say, being a "northerner."

"I've proven what I set out to prove."

Sure. If you are comfortable not citing anything about the racist examples you provide fine with me. The readers will consider that and me too. I'm comfortable presenting my perspective of Appleton, with citations of how and why Appleton is a nice place to live and I think a place of equality for all.

"Well, when the "N" word was put repeatedly on the woman's car and a dead raccoon dropped in her mailbox, I'd have a hard time thinking it had to do with the woman's fashion choices, Dan-O"


Can't find a word of print anywhere about this. Amazing Are you sure it didn't come from "Gids Ass Daily Crescent"?

It is amazing that nobody wrote about this at all. Nobody in...

Appleton
Grand Chute
Kimberly
Little Chute
Kaukauna
Combined Locks
Wrightstown
Sherwood
Neenah
Menansha
Greenville
Mackville

I found a story since we are now linked on Google With Appleton and Racism below that which has interesting comments by the readers of the story.

"http://www.postcrescent.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070901/APC06/709010507/1036/APCopinion"

Also your post on the topic Gid, is also #1 on Google, congratulations which means I can sue you for defamation if you continue to put words in my mouth.



Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

Here's some more "RESEARCH" For you Gid.

http://www.advancetitan.com/story.asp?issue=11214&story=4511

An article written in 2005, detailing some of the issues and factors in the race problem in Oshkosh. A telling comment from the article is this,

"I just want to be at a point where race isn’t even a thought. At some point it would be great to not have a Plan 2008 or little check boxes for my race."

That is the world I would like to live in, and work towards. If that's not where you are at thats ok but that is the direction I am moving and working towards.

If there are few minorities around, it's hard for them to have much political power, ain't it?



See, and here's the crux of the matter. You have virtually no respect for me, as you completely discard my personal experiences.

Let's see, I named the workplace where it happened, so it's a real physical location. That much is provable (Lamico, by the way, is, or at least was, on Marion road). I think actually citing a provable physical place should give you pause to at least consider the possibility I might not be lying.



The attack on LW, Dan. You took a "high horse" position, I just challenged it.



If you had even a SLIGHT knowledge of 20th century history, you would understand. I do not have the time nor the desire to engage in a lengthy historical lecture; that is what your education is for. I have no patience for those unwilling to do a little research on their own.

Heck, their home office is local, why don't you walk down there and check it out yourself. They're really a pretty decent group of folks; they just have a very conservative view on things.



I didn't prove there are 12 hate groups in Wisconsin? I didn't prove there was a Neo-Nazi organization in Appleton? I didn't prove that the John Birch Society, which opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, was based in Appleton? HMMMM, you're living with your head in the sand, Dan-O. As for specific examples, again, they have to MAKE the news to be a citable source.

I didn't prove Cha Vang is dead, murdered by a WHITE hunter? WWW Link

One of "your own" seems to see racism in Wisconsin. Here's an op-ed piece:

Locally, 5.7 percent of Wisconsin is African-American and 3.6 percent Latino, yet blacks make up 2.3 percent of UW-Madison and Latinos 2.5 percent.

WWW Link

You don't see racism in Wisconsin because you do not WANT to see racism in Wisconsin, Dan. I assure you, however, that it is there.

You claim LW is racist, yet you can't point me to any racist actions on her part. Yet when I claim I have seen more racism in Wisconsin than I ever saw in the south, you demand that I provide documented evidence of acts that I have personally witnessed? HMMM.



Yup. When 92% of the population shares your skin color, you can say that, can't you, Dan?

Wisconsin IS a nice place to live. Appleton is a nice place to live IF you discount the minority of snobs there (you OBVIOUSLY being included) who regard cities like Oshkosh as being backwater burgs and who look down on the rest of the nation as being unenlightened. And that's why I take issue with it, Dan. You're one of those snobs, and you give the good city of Appleton a bad name.

See, and that's the point, Dan. You flat out call me a liar.

Why wasn't it reported in the news? One, it wasn't reported in the local paper. The woman was scared for her life, Dan. I guess you can't understand that, can you? Of course not. Being a racial majority of 92% has its privileges.

It also was not reported to the cops for the same reason. The woman did not want to take the stand against the kind of person who would do this.

According to you, most domestic violence doesn't take place, right Dan? Or rape? Or child molestation? If it didn't get reported, it didn't happen BY YOUR OWN WORDS!