That kinda defeats the purpose of clones, then.

Any smart player will just look around to find the real ship and attack it.  The Negh'var actually calls in ships that attack, even if they're small ships, they can still do damage.  If you're going to add the counter ability to the Nebula, it should actually have them do some damage.  Either that, or find something else that works.

EDIT:  Though, if the game MAKES you attack the fake ships, that's different.  But I'd assume you could just select a different target and fire at it regardless.

the "small" ships do ALOT of dmg.. also the "clones of the nebula" have a different armor value so its very easy to focus the real ship again..

if the brel would be the scout.. i wouldnt mind but since the brel is mostly the strongest frigatte its kinda overpowered

just think about 16 neghvar all with lvl 3 brel swarm = 144 brels and they didnt even cost u fleet supply = means u get 1872 fleet supply for free...

this skill must be a bad joke in terms of balance..

I remember that episode, memory-alpha says it's this episode We'll Always Have Paris:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/We%27ll_Always_Have_Paris_(episode)

It's also referred to in the ST: Armada games as an ability for the Nebula, so should I expect the Defiant class to lay mines?  Also, does the human opponent see the hologram images as see through too?

Oh, and ru7h, what Loki meant is, with the Neghvar and all it's B.O.P. reinforcements, it does the SAME Damage Per Second (or as he put it DPS, but I think would be better labelled as Dam/s) as the Single Nebula Capitol Ships.  This means that these two ships esentially "equal out" (discounting the nebula having to go through more armor as it eats through multiple D-12's) damage wise, but he just spoke of micro managing your fleet more (literally I would aim for the neghvar and blow it up, than retreat for a short time and come back later to finish the job since the D-12's will be gone by then).

Wow, an UNSTOPPABLE (until all other Gemini Effects are removed) Nebula Class Ship?  nevermind, I don't need to know if the opposing human can see it because it doesn't matter!!  That's cool and totally pans out with the Call to Arms ability of the Neghvar .

Screw all the issues, this mod is alot more complete and fun than most other mods out there.

They're working on it. Yeah, I'd like more abilities and stuff, but they're working on it in their own time and giving it away for free. It'll come when it comes.

I've often felt that modding is a form of altruism, and a total conversion even moreso. The creators work and stress over creating something unique and special, and often only get complaints of overpowered this or broken that.

So I thank you, SoA2 team. Every one of you. and I'm sure that many of those who have posted here feel the same way. I hope you get rewarded for what you've put into your work tenfold.

EDIT: And the music you've put in is awesome. I think I even heard something from Lawrence of Arabia in my last game!

Hey guys this is one of the best mods i've ever had the pleasure of playing. I've been eagerly awaiting its release and now that its here I'm VERY impressed!   There's always going to be a few people nitpicking every little thing and I wonder if they know how much work goes into a mod like this. On a different note I was wondering If fighters and bombers will be added later on? Im not sure what the other races would use as a "carrier" class but for the feds I was thinking something like the USS Typhon from ST:Invasion would be perfect. Either way this mod is awesome and I'll be playing it religiously for weeks to come.  

You should channel that into patronizing sarcasm, it's much more entertaining.

As long as the bug reports are constructive and helpful those aren't a problem.

It does get to be a drag hearing something is imbalanced/broken/ or w/e after putting, hmm what're we at now? 7 months (just for this version)? into a piece of work. Shimmer imo has done an excellent job, especially on the balancing.

Also a side note on the gemini effect, even if the enemy ships are ordered to attack the real one, the ships will still fire at targets they see when in range and when their weapons are facing them. Not just at the ship they were ordered to attack, so no matter how the enemy uses their ships the hologram-ships are still taking hits for you.

Edit: Forgot to add that the patch has been fixed and has the TyKoGor station in it.

Some of the whining I've read is unnecessary, but some does just seem to be people mentioning it (okay granted the same things do seem to be popping up, but I think that's more of a case of people not bothering to read what's been said before- like people *still* asking about the broken curry file). Overall everyone's impressed with the mod, and understands that this is still a WIP (admittedly an advanced WIP). The free B'rel ability is very nice, and if they plan to make it a researchable tech in the next patch all the better. Ofcourse only certain people in the mod team know what's going to happen, so it is understandable that people keep suggesting ways to do it, and complaining that this and that are overpowered.

That being said, seriously everyone, if something's broken or you feel its overpowered, don't just moan about it, either just report it, or offer them suggestions to fix it, and understand that Shimmer, Loki and the rest of the mod team is putting an awful lot of (unpaid) work into this, and it is taking up probably a lot of their free time. Give them credit for that, and for the fact that while this is still a WIP, its one of the best mods out for Entrenchment to date (and it just keeps getting better per release). I'm sure they have a plan as to how things are going to be, and we'll see the finished product when its finished. Last time round the Feds were stronger, this time round the Klinks are stronger. That didn't stop Klink players playing online with the first release, so I don't see why some people are saying that they won't play online in this release just because the Feds are now the weaker race. If you don't like that, then fine- but that's *your* problem with being unable to adapt, not the mod team's. Either play or don't play, but don't give the mod team the impression that everybody's just unhappy and griping about the mod.

Guys, just keep it up, we all know the finished piece will be amazing.

Oh and on another separate note- I know the next scheduled game's not on til tomorrow night, but anyone on tonight anyway?

haha stress ofc we have ! only it was me last time going can you do X Y and Z

anyway i am glad you all are still playing online and are arranging your own games ! !

 the planned stuff i keep putting up is when i / or anyone else within the mod team will be online and able to play

the PC i have for this weekend has kinda foiled my plans :/ lol but back to normal tomorrow and i expect a hard fight from all of you !

Actually, I find the Gemeni useful becuase it effectively does make you attack the hologram ships.  Note:

1. It's easy to tell which one is the real ship and which are the fakes - the fakes show up as "Nebula" vice "USS XXX" in the Empire tree and when you hover over them (the fakes are also lighter in color when you are playing against them).
2. HOWEVER, that doesn't make them less effective.  Remember that even if you target the real Nebula, that doesn't mean it ignores the others.  When you're mixing it up in combat, each ship will fire at whatever ship is in range/firing arc of a given weapon when its cooldown expires* - that means that although you've told your ships to try to get the selected ship (e.g., the real Nebula) in its sights, it will still fire on whatever is in its sights if the real Nebula is out-of-range or isn't in the firing arc b/c your ship is turning.  In other words, even when I tell my ships to fire on everything except the Nebula hologram, the Nebula holograms still wind up taking a lot of damage (in a big fight, anyway) that would have otherwise been absorbed by the other ships.

Ergo, the Nebula hologram works and is, in my opinion, very effective.  A nice touch to add would be to make the ability have levels (i.e., for each level 1-3 you get one holographic Nebula).  That would give you a huge incentive to level up the Nebula.  I can probably code that up, if there is interest in it.

*Another interesting way I've found to exploit this is as follows:

Do you hate it when people warp into your system, target your starbase, and blow it up with a huge volley of torps?  Ever think that maybe your starbase would stand a fighting chance if it weren't for that first torp volley?  Here's a  trick to avoid it: set up a perimeter of structures around your starbase (a few inches away from the starbase if you're zoomed to see the whole system).  Phaser/Disrupter turrets work great.  Then when your "friends" come to blow up your starbase, they shoot off their first torp volley at the turrets when they make an attack run on the starbase.  Side and aft firing weapons unload at the adjacent turrets as the ships fly past them.  This trick can manage to suck up a few torp volleys (if you place the structures well) and give your starbase much better odds of surviving the fight.

Loki - Oh, I knew about it, but I wasn't sharing.   I did notice your employment of it in that massive battle - that's what led me to think the turrets should be a little farther out (since my ships didn't actually have to pass through them to empty the side/aft weapons when I attacked).

Actually, though it works in the regular SoASE, it isn't nearly as useful, b/c with normal (vice fighter) ship movement, your ships will automatically orient themselves to do the most damage to the selected target, and the cooldown times are much shorter (than your torps), so damage is pretty consistent.

This is a good example of a way that your fighter movement change has made the game more interesting/dependent on alternative strategy.

Can the mod be played with 1.1 Entrenchment?