Start11 1.22 Release Feedback Thread

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With the Start11 1.22 release, we are creating this thread so that users can report any observed issues.  

Obtaining Start11 1.22

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Reporting an issue

Please include the following for anything found:

  • Exact Windows version \ build (winver.exe)
  • Detailed steps to recreate the issue seen
  • Screenshots and videos are very helpful.  Videos can be uploaded to a cloud drive services (GoogleDrive, DropBox, OneDrive, YouTube) and links included in your post.  Images can be directly added.
  • If there are specific apps that the app does not work (well) with, please note what apps and their exact versions.  If any app is not common, a link to a trial version would be appreciated.

Thank you for your interest and any time you put into making Start11 a better product.

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Reply #1 from Stardock Forums Top

Start11 1.22 Changelog

Start11 1.22 is a culmination of prior betas.

1.22
 
4/31/2022
 
Language updates
 
Core supported languages:
 
Included languages but not supported:
04/20/2022
  • Added option for seconds on clock to Start11 configuration screen (taskbar)
  • Improved painting performance of config UI when scrolling especially on Taskbar page as performance was slower than intended
  • Made config detect the use of insider channel versions of Windows and will indicate this on the about page
  • Help link on insider releases of Windows 11 changed to go to entry in FAQ explaining our policy on these OSes
  • Prevented a background refresh of menu contents while right click menu is open in Win10/11 menus
  • Prevented a background refresh of menu contents while dragging an item in the menu
  • Fixed issue with JetBrains Toolbox showing on the taskbar incorrectly
  • Fixed issue with focus being assigned to no window sometimes when minimizing a window from the taskbar by clicking on the taskbar button when enhanced taskbar mode is enabled
04/19/2022
  • Added registry key to make Start11 never group pinned items with running apps - usual reg location "SeparatePins" set to 1
  • Added registry key to make Start11 taskbar buttons have less padding between and inside of them allowing more to fit. This only applies to pinned apps / running app buttons. It does not apply to the widgets, search etc icons. Usual reg location "CompactTaskbarButtons" set to 1
  • Adding registry key to make Start11 have altered padding internally for taskbar app / pinned buttons. Usual reg location "TaskbarPadding" set to padding value
  • Added registry key to enable a start button compatibility mode if clicks are opening the Win11 menu - usual reg location "StartButtonCompatMode" set to 1
  • Added support for ShowSecondsInSystemClock registry key that worked on Win10 for seconds on the clock. May take a short while to apply after an explorer restart
  • Fixed issue from prev build where clock on secondary taskbar was missing on Win11 dev/beta builds
  • Fixed issue on Win11 release where the right click menus on network / sound icons did not always accept input when enhanced taskbar was enabled
  • Shift + restart from the shutdown menu should now boot to recovery screen as it does with native menu
  • Fixed small resource leak when using enhanced taskbar and opening a window with an icon without an alpha channel. Typically this would be extremely old apps
  • Fixed issue with right click on pinned icons (not running apps) showing menu off screen if too far left on screen
  • Fixed issue with occasional clicks on taskbar potentially causing an explorer crash on Windows 11
  • Fixing issue with elevated apps causing trouble with start button click on occasion
  • Tweak to hopefully resolve issue with first click on secondary taskbar start button not launching the menu on Win11 for some users.
  • Fixed issue with change of screen res / scaling causing taskbar to resize down to one row incorrectly on Win11
  • Changed how Start11 handles the taskbar shows when opening the start menu inside a fullscreen app / game
  • Fixed issue with pinning from new style all programs list onto Win7/Modern menu losing jumplists. Any existing shortcuts would need to be recreated.
  • Modified shutdown to support automatic restarting of apps before login where configured on the PC and on supported OS
04/13/2022
  • Fixes 'This PC' link not showing in Fences on Start menu if it was in a fence
  • Deleting a fence on the desktop will now remove it from the start menu too rather than leaving a blank
  • Ensured every Win11 menu page has a group on it and all apps button
  • Resolved issue with thumbnail preview window jumping left sometimes when you clicked on the taskbar button when minimized
  • Fixed issue with a folder group on the Win11 menu style potentially painting under the page selection bar
  • If when expanding a folder group it doesn't fit on the menu then the menu will scroll to fit it
  • If in grouped taskbar mode then clicking on a button that is for more then 1 window will now show the thumbnail switcher rather than picking the last item
  • Win11 dev/beta channel tablet mode taskbar is now less visually horrible with S11 enhanced taskbar though not perfect
  • Fixed issue with drag & drop to the taskbar not bringing inactive windows to the front as it should have been
  • Fixed issue on dev builds of Win11 where the right hand system tray icons wouldn't appear after an explorer restart sometimes
  • Fixed that transparency string not using translations on beta/dev build of Win11
1.21
 
04/08/2022
  • NEW ** MS edge tabs now show in search results
  • NEW ** Search results now boost the last run item for a given search
  • Fixed issue with corrupted Minecraft icon causing the menu to crash
  • Fixed issue with a blank taskbar when enhanced taskbar enabled on Windows 11 and you have 2 or more monitors with the main monitor to the right of a secondary and taskbars only set to show on the main monitor.
  • Fixed issue with Win+<num key> not rotating through the group of windows when more than one app running from the given task
  • Fixed issue with Win+<num key> not always activating the right window depending on window visibility and monitor settings
  • Fixed issue with Win+<num key> so it does not minimize windows which are part of a group (regardless of taskbar grouping status)
  • Fixed issue with clock on secondary taskbars being clipped slightly when using a small taskbar
  • Fixed incorrect icon used for pinned MS edge webpage shortcuts on the taskbar
  • Possible fix for incorrect background colour on some older icons on the taskbar
  • Made warning about left aligned start button when enhanced taskbar is enabled bold and red
  • Made prompt about enabling enhanced taskbar features popup when you enable it from the taskbar page too
  • Hidden "Sign-in options" from shutdown menu on Windows 11 non beta/dev as that is only shown by those OSes so may cause confusion and added registry key for those who wish to hide it on later OSes "DisableSignInOptionsLink" set to 1 in HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Stardock\Start8\Start8.ini\Start8
04/07/2022
  • Added en.lng lines
Reply #2 from Stardock Forums Top
Known issues
 
While we appreciate all feedback, please remember that we offer no official support for beta \ preview \ developer channel versions of Windows. If you report issues while in any of those early release channels, you should not expect them to be addressed unless it still exists in a retail version of Windows.
 
  • On Win11 : Clicking on a grouped taskbar button on a secondary taskbar will not popup the switcher window when you have > 1 window of that app running. This is a bug in the OS itself and can be reproduced on Windows 11 without Start11. Mouseover hover will show the popup just fine.
  • On Windows Preview \ Developer builds, there are known systray icons disappearing - this is due to a bug with the OS itself.  Should the issue persist to release versions, we may have a way to work around it in future versions of Start11.  For more information:
    https://forums.stardock.com/511755/get;3849614
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Reply #4 from Stardock Forums Top

The following option is missing in Start11 that existed in both Start10 and Start8:
"Open submenus when I pause on them"

Note: It's missing from the GUI, but you can still disable with a registry edit (default is On, Off is 0. Yes the registry key is still called Start8 for Start11).  Please put back in GUI.

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

; open submenus when I pause on them
; This setting was removed from the Start11 GUI

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Stardock\Start8\Start8.ini\Start8]
"AutoExpand"="0"

 

Reply #5 from Stardock Forums Top

So glad to see the changes/fixes that I mentioned in here. Can't wait to get the seconds back on the clocks again. Thanks for adding this!

Reply #6 from Stardock Forums Top

I've been using this for years and this is the first time I've ever had any issues. Here's what I'm experiencing with version 1.22 which I installed today:

  • Windows 11 Version 21H2 (Build 22000.613)
  • (3) 27" monitors.
  • The taskbars seems to be randomly refreshing. I've seen this about 5 times today.
  • I'm using Fences and the fences portals I have setup on my secondary monitors all come together on my primary monitor during the refresh.
  • Full screen applications on my secondary monitors being maximized take the entire screen and appear behind the taskbars.

Is there a way to revert to the previous version?

 

Reply #7 from Stardock Forums Top

I might be missing it but where exactly is the setting for the show seconds on system clock? I already had the registry thing enabled and I don't see the option in the configuration to turn it on/off. It's also not showing any difference.

Reply #8 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Ryderjj1989, reply 7

I might be missing it but where exactly is the setting for the show seconds on system clock? I already had the registry thing enabled and I don't see the option in the configuration to turn it on/off. It's also not showing any difference.

I believe it is only available to people using Windows 11 22H2 (the current Beta/DEV builds). It is not compatible with the current release build of Windows 11

Reply #9 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting mikkeee70555, reply 6

I've been using this for years and this is the first time I've ever had any issues. Here's what I'm experiencing with version 1.22 which I installed today:

 

    • Windows 11 Version 21H2 (Build 22000.613)

 

    • (3) 27" monitors.

 

    • The taskbars seems to be randomly refreshing. I've seen this about 5 times today.

 

    • I'm using Fences and the fences portals I have setup on my secondary monitors all come together on my primary monitor during the refresh.

 

    • Full screen applications on my secondary monitors being maximized take the entire screen and appear behind the taskbars.
      Reduced 79%
      Original 1001 x 289

 


Is there a way to revert to the previous version?

 

It sounds like you may be experiencing crashes in explorer which is of concern.

If you look in the Windows event log are you seeing application errors for explorer.exe?

Reply #11 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Neil, reply 9

It sounds like you may be experiencing crashes in explorer which is of concern.

If you look in the Windows event log are you seeing application errors for explorer.exe?

I checked the logs and there are no errors for explorer.exe. I did revert to v1.11 to see if the new version is causing all the issues I'm seeing and all the issues went away so there's something going on between my system configuration and v1.22.

Reply #13 from Stardock Forums Top

Request: add an option to get rid of the gap between taskbar and edge of the screen, to help hitting the icon by mousing over the edge

Reply #14 from Stardock Forums Top

This update completely destroyed my install. I've tried uninstalling with removing settings and doing a reboot between uninstalling and reinstalling and it's still hosed.

 

What happens: after install, everything seems fine and works as expected.

Once I reboot, it looks like start11 didn't initialize properly: I have no start button, no clock, volume, etc. on the right. The system tray arrow is there and I can get to other icons in the system tray. The taskbar's windows are also correctly ungrouped and appear on the appropriate monitor.

When I open Start11's config via either the start menu or the taskbar itself, it says there is some other program managing the taskbar, despite it not having said that before my reboot.

Additionally, it looks like explorer is crashing on startup -- or so says Fences in a popup dialog box.

 

To note: when installing the update, I did not restart immediately, as I had a game I needed to exit gracefully first, but I rebooted <5 minutes after the update. Also, between uninstalling and reinstalling Start11, I did check the program folder and confirmed that it really did uninstall -- similarly, the settings really did get removed/reset between installations.

Reply #15 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting starbuck42, reply 14

This update completely destroyed my install. I've tried uninstalling with removing settings and doing a reboot between uninstalling and reinstalling and it's still hosed.

 

What happens: after install, everything seems fine and works as expected.

Once I reboot, it looks like start11 didn't initialize properly: I have no start button, no clock, volume, etc. on the right. The system tray arrow is there and I can get to other icons in the system tray. The taskbar's windows are also correctly ungrouped and appear on the appropriate monitor.

When I open Start11's config via either the start menu or the taskbar itself, it says there is some other program managing the taskbar, despite it not having said that before my reboot.

Additionally, it looks like explorer is crashing on startup -- or so says Fences in a popup dialog box.

 

To note: when installing the update, I did not restart immediately, as I had a game I needed to exit gracefully first, but I rebooted <5 minutes after the update. Also, between uninstalling and reinstalling Start11, I did check the program folder and confirmed that it really did uninstall -- similarly, the settings really did get removed/reset between installations.

What version of Windows 11 are you using?

If Start11 is saying something else is managing the taskbar that typically means you have installed something or set a registry key to make Windows think it can use the Windows 10 taskbar on Windows 11 (which I would not recommend).  The alternative could be that Windows explorer has somehow not started up correctly as it wouldn't be able to detect it correctly then.  Given the lack of some parts of the taskbar that could be the case here.

Step 1 would be to set Start11 to not enhance the taskbar and then click the restart explorer button, does this allow the taskbar to look normal?

If not then does it work ok if you uninstall Start11 and reboot?

Reply #16 from Stardock Forums Top

I'm using Windows 11 Pro Version 10.0.22000 Build 22000

I have absolutely not installed any other software to manage the taskbar and have not touched my system registry. I had no problems with the previous version of Start11 and hadn't changed any of its settings in a week or so.

I cannot set Start11 not to enhance the taskbar, since it thinks something else is enhancing it. The only way to get it to work is to kill explorer via the Task Manager and then run explorer.exe.

If Start11 is uninstalled, the taskbar successfully returns to the normal Windows 11 one, including after a couple reboots

The only clue I have as to what's going on is that in the start menu, there is the normal "Start11" shortcut and a second "Stardock Start11" shortcut with no icon (shows the default for a missing icon) and if I click on it, a window shows for a split-second and then goes away (there is no content in the window, just the frame). This erroneous icon was not there before the update, and it shows back up upon reinstallation.

My guess is that somehow the update didn't remove/unregister the previous version and now it's taking ownership of the task bar and crashing on startup since the supporting installation files have changed with the update.

Also, when I reboot, there are two instances of the Start11_64.exe in the Task Manager. I checked the startup apps setting and didn't see Start11 listed at all, and there is only one entry for the service in Task Manager and in services.msc

Reply #17 from Stardock Forums Top

Are you able to check the Windows eventlog to see if there are application crashes listed for explorer.exe?

Reply #18 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting PhoenixRising1, reply 8


Quoting Ryderjj1989,
reply 7

I might be missing it but where exactly is the setting for the show seconds on system clock? I already had the registry thing enabled and I don't see the option in the configuration to turn it on/off. It's also not showing any difference.



I believe it is only available to people using Windows 11 22H2 (the current Beta/DEV builds). It is not compatible with the current release build of Windows 11

Oh that would explain that then. I dont remember seeing that in the changelog but I might have just missed it. I'm on Release Preview right now as it's also my work OS and I don't want to have any unexpected instabilities. But nice to know it'll be available when the next major Win11 update is out for everyone.

Reply #19 from Stardock Forums Top

I have updated to the latest version,

But now the unmatched icons in the start bar no longer work

 

I also wanted to know if the possibility of putting the central start with the possibility of not combining icons had been introduced.

Reply #20 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting cirosito91, reply 19

I have updated to the latest version,

But now the unmatched icons in the start bar no longer work

 

I also wanted to know if the possibility of putting the central start with the possibility of not combining icons had been introduced.

What do you mean by unmatched icons in the start bar?

The possibility of putting start in the middle when not combining has not been added.

Reply #21 from Stardock Forums Top

I posted this in the 1.22 beta thread but was ignored.

The taskbar is offsetting itself from the top of the screen on my primary monitor only.  More annoyingly, once it does this, it often won't autohide, although the main icons disappear, the rest of the taskbar stays, obscuring anything that might be fullscreen.

Retail Win11 Pro, (22000.613) no insider/preview builds, patched and up to date.  My taskbars are top aligned, two monitors, 2560x1440 and 1920x1080, both landscape with 100% scaling.  Have tried the purge script, reboot, deleted folders from Program Files (x86) and Programdata, reinstall, issue keeps recurring.

 

Reply #22 from Stardock Forums Top

Silly question: I'm running Start 11 on both a W10 and W11 PC. Should I have the same "manage the taskbar" options (with ungrouping, etc) in W10 that I do in W11? I'm running the same version (1.22) and just wanted to make sure nothing went awry during the transition from beta to stable on the W10 side.

Reply #23 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting jmeiii75, reply 22

Silly question: I'm running Start 11 on both a W10 and W11 PC. Should I have the same "manage the taskbar" options (with ungrouping, etc) in W10 that I do in W11? I'm running the same version (1.22) and just wanted to make sure nothing went awry during the transition from beta to stable on the W10 side.

No, the ungrouping feature is not available on Windows 10.

Paul Scroggins
Associate Technical Support Analyst

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Reply #24 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting TPScroggins, reply 23


Quoting jmeiii75,
reply 22

Silly question: I'm running Start 11 on both a W10 and W11 PC. Should I have the same "manage the taskbar" options (with ungrouping, etc) in W10 that I do in W11? I'm running the same version (1.22) and just wanted to make sure nothing went awry during the transition from beta to stable on the W10 side.



No, the ungrouping feature is not available on Windows 10.

Paul Scroggins
Associate Technical Support Analyst

Gotcha. Thanks for confirming. Loving the product. Renewing my Object Desktop sub was money well spent.  

Reply #25 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Neil, reply 20


Quoting cirosito91,
reply 19

I have updated to the latest version,

But now the unmatched icons in the start bar no longer work

 

I also wanted to know if the possibility of putting the central start with the possibility of not combining icons had been introduced.



What do you mean by unmatched icons in the start bar?

The possibility of putting start in the middle when not combining has not been added.



Uncombined icons in the start bar are no longer activated:

 

This:

 

 

Can you add the ability to insert a link folder? like you did with other windows, that would be great.

It would be nice to be able to change the color of the time font in the Windows bar as well, with transparency and a dark background the time and date are practically not seen, it would be nice to be able to choose the color.