Pariden Crusader Power Level - Feedback Requested

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Hey all --

We've seen some reports about the Pariden Crusader being totally overpowered and trivializing the game when he shows up. I poked around in the data and did some testing, and he's definitely strong but not anything I'd think would be gamebreaking.

Anyone have any details? Should be an easy fix once I understand the issue.

Thanks!

Adam

 

(P.S. Sorry for what's about to happen to Varda #sorrynotsorry ;) )

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Reply #1 from Elemental Forums Top

The issue is there is five of them.

Just give them enough ogre-blooded onyx rings and they are unstoppable. 

Courage and plain leveling up also have a very strong impact on their performance.

 

But please, do not cut down their number. They are unique unit this way. May be fame reqirement should be higher and initiative could be lowered so player will have to invest in initiative instead of damage.

Reply #2 from SorcererKing Forums Top

Quoting geniusisme, reply 1

The issue is there is five of them.

Just give them enough ogre-blooded onyx rings and they are unstoppable. 

Courage and plain leveling up also have a very strong impact on their performance.

 

But please, do not cut down their number. They are unique unit this way. May be fame reqirement should be higher and initiative could be lowered so player will have to invest in initiative instead of damage.

 

You pointed out the issue in line 1 then said do not change the number X|

  absolutely correct about the ogre-blooded onyx rings

raising the fame requirement only delays the problem and you are probably better equipped to build the rings.  Lower init OK, or make them a 4 unit

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Reply #3 from SorcererKing Forums Top

Oh, they're coming in as a 5x? Weird. That would explain it. They level extra strong on attack as well (they get +1 physical +1 lightning every level).

I think I'm going to leave them as is for now and wait to see if another fix (delaying trait reward events so you don't get them on turn 5 or whatever) solves the issue.

Thanks guys!

Reply #4 from SorcererKing Forums Top

DON'T TAKE VARDA AWAY FROM MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

What's going to happen to her? She's pretty legit right now, just like everyone else. 

Reply #5 from Elemental Forums Top

Don't downscale units.....up scale units. That was one of my biggest gripes about LH. Designers kept taking away stuff.

Can this unit be OP? Yep But I also have two Urxen and Two orcs in my pocket by the time they show up. That's a killer stack.

And still I got smoked by a drake.

Reply #6 from SorcererKing Forums Top

Varda will still be quite strong, just less game-breaking :)

Reply #7 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting a0152570, reply 2

raising the fame requirement only delays the problem

 

I see no problem with powerful unique units. Problem is they are relatevly easy to get.

Reply #8 from Elemental Forums Top

The fact that designer finds out how the game is behaving on forums is rather... amusing.

I've pointed out that you(stardock) should play your own games before. And Scott concluded I was making fun of you, while the issue is actually serious.

Reply #9 from SorcererKing Forums Top

Quoting geniusisme, reply 8

The fact that designer finds out how the game is behaving on forums is rather... amusing.

I've pointed out that you(stardock) should play your own games before. And Scott concluded I was making fun of you, while the issue is actually serious.

I agree BUT in defense of SD they are the few we are the many and we only have to play not do all the other stuff.  that said, there are many bugs reported that fall into the category of ... how could they have missed this

Reply #10 from SorcererKing Forums Top

Dude, geniusesme, you realize that Adam probably knows more about this game than we all do, right? Listen to him in the stream; he knows his shit. 

But what do you need to be so antagonistic?

Reply #11 from SorcererKing Forums Top

Quoting XWerewolfX, reply 10

do you need to be so antagonistic?

hope i wasn't the one being antipathetic :)

Reply #12 from SorcererKing Forums Top

No, I think geniusisme comes off a bit arrogant at times and it's hard to see the message through the rude attutude. I want this game to succeed and antagonizing someone asking questions that will only helps this game bothers me.

 

 

Reply #13 from Elemental Forums Top

Quoting XWerewolfX, reply 10

Dude, geniusesme, you realize that Adam probably knows more about this game than we all do, right? Listen to him in the stream; he knows his shit. 

By the looks of things, no.

I've watched almost all the streams and I've seen a lot of things that I knew exactly but Adam and Scott wandered about or were unsure of. And I have "just" 100+ hours in the game, while the guys play/think/develop the game as their job for a couple of years at least.