America First!

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Does the left in this Country, specifically those who voted for kerry, consider themselves "World Citizens", or Americans First?
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Reply #1 from PolMach Forums Top
We are Americans who don't stick our head in the sands and believe we are the only country in the world and have to have good relations with at least some countries.

Was this meant to be a loaded question?

Let's ask the right if they believe the US can get along if the rest of the world can't stand us?
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
whoman69- Occasionally, I contemplate why the world views America so negatively. The UN's reaction to the tragedy in South Asia - that America as the richest Nation in the world is stingy for not giving more- crystallizes my understanding of the matter. The world's irrational hatred of America is due to an age-old emotion called envy. Why did Cain detest his brother Able?
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
But then, by the same token.....let's not forget that Cain killed Abel.

I think you know my position here; by and large they support the UN, which makes them "world citizens".
This, in turn, could go some distance toward explaining why there are so many America-hating liberals in this country.

This is a good point, hitp.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
I find it amazing that the world presumes America owes it anything: 1300 plus Americans dead in Iraq. While I do believe that humanity is at point in time where for better or worse we are all to a large extent dependant upon one another as brothers and sisters if civilization is to continue, I am, nevertheless, disappointed that the world's first reaction to the unfloding tragedy is to find fault with America. This tragedy is not a platform to bash America, as people are in need of urgent help. But look at what the intellectual world citizens do instead, they bash America!
Reply #5 from PolMach Forums Top
This, in turn, could go some distance toward explaining why there are so many America-hating liberals in this country


This is so much bull and you know it. Just because the left doesn't agree with you, they hate America. I put it to you that you hate America because you don't ask it to stand to its own high values.
Reply #6 from PolMach Forums Top
Boohoo, they only hate us because they're jealous. You sound like prom queens.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #2 By: hitparade - 12/29/2004 7:11:02 AM
whoman69- Occasionally, I contemplate why the world views America so negatively. The UN's reaction to the tragedy in South Asia - that America as the richest Nation in the world is stingy for not giving more- crystallizes my understanding of the matter. The world's irrational hatred of America is due to an age-old emotion called envy. Why did Cain detest his brother Able?


to the point, exactly....... I been saying that here for 6 weeks now....
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Let's ask the right if they believe the US can get along if the rest of the world can't stand us?


since we pay most everything everywhere. the first to pony up the buck in times of need for others,,,,,,,,,, we make up 85 % of the fighting forces in un actions..... 90% of the weapons that go there to..

Its as posted above... the world is jealous of america...and her riches.....remember what the US calls lower middle class is rich beyond the wildest dreams of 2/3 of the world
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #8 By: whoman69 - 12/29/2004 8:53:10 AM
Boohoo, they only hate us because they're jealous. You sound like prom queens.


And you sound like a simpering fool.
Reply #10 from PolMach Forums Top
As a Canadian citizen, I have to say that us being jealous of America is for the most part a myth. The majority of Canadians are glad to live in Canada. I know I can't think of any other country that I would rather live in.
Reply #11 from PolMach Forums Top
So there.


What are you in fourth grade? You forgot to stick your tongue out and cross your eyes at me.

Your "America hating" is just another excuse to bash the left. Much like your buddy Ashcroft who stated that anyone that was opposed to the war and the patriot act was a traitor. The hate is in the mirror. You hate so much you see it in everyone. America love it or leave, the mantra of Richard Nixon and Archie Bunker is alive and well in this country. Just because someone doesn't see the warped America you espouse they must hate America. The unmoral minority takes another shot at America in the 21st century.
Reply #12 from PolMach Forums Top
Then why is it that so many Canadian citizens who come to America eventually become citizens


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Reply #13 from PolMach Forums Top
Try us sometime.


Well, I did visit Minneapolis this past year, and from what I saw, you have a pretty nice country. But I prefer it in Canada with hockey (damn NHL lockout), curling, tolerance, beer and free healthcare.

There is no problem with believeing your country is great, possibly or probably the best, but to believe that it is utterly perfect and without sin is simply delusional. Then, anyone who points out flaws or things that can be done better all of the sudden hates America and is being attacked from all sides (but mostly the right) for being unpatriotic.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
As a Canadian citizen, I have to say that us being jealous of America is for the most part a myth. The majority of Canadians are glad to live in Canada. I know I can't think of any other country that I would rather live in.

Then why is it that so many Canadian citizens who come to America eventually become citizens? Try us sometime.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #8 By: whoman69 - 12/29/2004 8:53:10 AM
Boohoo, they only hate us because they're jealous. You sound like prom queens.


It is true that prom queens piss & moan... but General Bush II dealt with the critcism in a way that I personally approve. The General wiped away the spitballs used to attack the Nation & ordered Team America into action. A man's man this Bush is...
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
This is so much bull and you know it. Just because the left doesn't agree with you, they hate America. I put it to you that you hate America because you don't ask it to stand to its own high values.
---whoman69

Look....don't ever say that I hate America. If you've read any of my posts or recent articles you know that I think America is the best nation in the goddamn world, bar none.
We're the most generous, most open and most compassionate country in history, often to our detriment.
The Left is completely free to disagree with me (one of the many things that makes America great)....but not when I read all this crap from libs around here about how oppressive our government is, how arrogant we are because we insist on doing things our own way and in our own time, rather than put it up for a vote in the logjam of conflicting political agendas called the UN General Assembly, etc.
I will and do speak up when I read America-bashing posts, and do not apologize for this, or for anything we've done as a nation. So there.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #14 By: whoman69 - 12/29/2004 5:07:07 PM
So there.


What are you in fourth grade? You forgot to stick your tongue out and cross your eyes at me.

Your "America hating" is just another excuse to bash the left. Much like your buddy Ashcroft who stated that anyone that was opposed to the war and the patriot act was a traitor. The hate is in the mirror. You hate so much you see it in everyone. America love it or leave, the mantra of Richard Nixon and Archie Bunker is alive and well in this country. Just because someone doesn't see the warped America you espouse they must hate America. The unmoral minority takes another shot at America in the 21st century.


I would think *you* are the one with the hatred, not rightwinger! He's right...go back and reread his other posts, you will find the opposite of what your saying.
Reply #18 from PolMach Forums Top
And once again, children, we see the utter lack of humor with which the Left observes the world.
My "so there" was just an attempt to lighten the mood. I don't like to fight with anyone, w69, and I use humor to defuse bad feelings.
The only humor the Left uses is when it listens to wannabe "political pundits" like Al Franken and Janeane Garofolo attempt to skewer the Right. I don't hate you because you're a liberal, I simply disagree with and dislike your politics. So there.


I can accept that, and probably went over the line. I was put in a foul mood by the "India and many other countries just hit the lottery," quote by Citizen Gideon MacLeish. Such a distasteful statement put me in a foul humor.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
Your "America hating" is just another excuse to bash the left.


BTW, I would be interested to hear what it is the left stands for? You see John Kerry only told me about how much of a f***-up General Bush is, and how he is not different from Bush just more capable, but no one ever told me what is that the left in this country stand for.

Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
There is no problem with believeing your country is great, possibly or probably the best, but to believe that it is utterly perfect and without sin is simply delusional. Then, anyone who points out flaws or things that can be done better all of the sudden hates America and is being attacked from all sides (but mostly the right) for being unpatriotic.


the ideas & ideals to which America aspires are great; indeed we Americans are far from perfect; how could we be otherwise living in so dark a world; why just the other day General Bush, in acknowledging that the road to democracy in Iraq would be a rocky one, invoked a sordid part of America’s history to illustrate his point: slavery. Yes humankind indeed has a hell of a long way to go before any one person can get up on his high horse ... I am grateful that America is here to lead the way out of the dark and into the light.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
hitparade - 'General Bush' - I see that now the election is over a number of right wing bloggers have openly taken to calling GWB 'General Bush' or 'Our Leader'. We don't do that sort of thing in civilized countries anymore. This is further proof of the militaristic mindset of these folks. This also reminds me of how ClearChannel is now displaying huge billobard ads with a picture of Bush and the caption 'Our Leader'. How North Korean.

'America First!' is eerily reminiscent of some Nazi slogans of the 1930's. Here are some I found over at www.wikipedia.com, replace 'Germany' with "America' and tell me if these sound similar to what the Dr. Millers and rightwingers and hitparades and ModerateMans are spewing:

# "Lang lebe Unser Ruhmvoller Führer"
* "Long Live Our Glorious leader!" (Dr. Miller loves calling Bush his 'Leader')

# "Ihr Heimatland Wird Deutschland Genannt! Lieben Sie Es Vor allem! Handlung Nicht Wörter!"
* "Your Fatherland Is Called Germany! Love It Above All! Action Not Words!". (My country, right or wrong, a deprecated mindset not suitable to 21st century civilization)

# "Deutschlands Feinde sind Ihre Feinde. Hassen Sie Sie Mit Ihrem Ganzen Herzen!"
* "Germany's Enemies are Your Enemies. Hate Them With Your Whole Heart!". (And oh Lord, do right wing Americans hate anyone who disagrees with them with their whole heart)

# "Er, der Deutschland Missbraucht, Missbraucht Sie und Ihre Toten. Schlagen Sie Ihre Faust Gegen Ihn!"
* "He who Abuses Germany, Abuses You and Your Dead. Strike Your Fist Against Him!". (And they are so thin skinned to criticism!)

# "Die Deutschen Immer Vor dem Ausländer und Juden"
* "The German Always Before the Foreigner and Jew!" (Americans - right wing Americans - have an irrational hatred of anything non-American these days)
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
the ideas & ideals to which America aspires are great; indeed we Americans are far from perfect; how could we be otherwise living in so dark a world; why just the other day General Bush, in acknowledging that the road to democracy in Iraq would be a rocky one, invoked a sordid part of America’s history to illustrate his point: slavery. Yes humankind indeed has a hell of a long way to go before any one person can get up on his high horse ... I am grateful that America is here to lead the way out of the dark and into the light.
---hitp


Once again, my friend, very well said.
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quote]What are you in fourth grade? You forgot to stick your tongue out and cross your eyes at me.

Your "America hating" is just another excuse to bash the left. Much like your buddy Ashcroft who stated that anyone that was opposed to the war and the patriot act was a traitor. The hate is in the mirror. You hate so much you see it in everyone. America love it or leave, the mantra of Richard Nixon and Archie Bunker is alive and well in this country. Just because someone doesn't see the warped America you espouse they must hate America. The unmoral minority takes another shot at America in the 21st century.
----whoman69

And once again, children, we see the utter lack of humor with which the Left observes the world.
My "so there" was just an attempt to lighten the mood. I don't like to fight with anyone, w69, and I use humor to defuse bad feelings.
The only humor the Left uses is when it listens to wannabe "political pundits" like Al Franken and Janeane Garofolo attempt to skewer the Right. I don't hate you because you're a liberal, I simply disagree with and dislike your politics. So there.
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #20 By: GrooveDygger - 12/29/2004 6:46:46 PM
hitparade - 'BR># "Lang lebe Unser Ruhmvoller Führer"
* "Long Live Our Glorious leader!" (Dr. Miller loves calling Bush his 'Leader'


Excuse me....just what *is* the president of the USA if he's *not* our *leader*? Are you refering to me as a Nazi because of my political beliefs?
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #20 By: GrooveDygger - 12/29/2004 6:46:46 PM
hitparade - 'General Bush' - I see that now the election is over a number of right wing bloggers have openly taken to calling GWB 'General Bush' or 'Our Leader'. We don't do that sort of thing in civilized countries anymore. This is further proof of the militaristic mindset of these folks. This also reminds me of how ClearChannel is now displaying huge billobard ads with a picture of Bush and the caption 'Our Leader'. How North Korean.

'America First!' is eerily reminiscent of some Nazi slogans of the 1930's. Here are some I found over at www.wikipedia.com, replace 'Germany' with "America' and tell me if these sound similar to what the Dr. Millers and rightwingers and hitparades and ModerateMans are spewing:

# "Lang lebe Unser Ruhmvoller Führer"
* "Long Live Our Glorious leader!" (Dr. Miller loves calling Bush his 'Leader')

# "Ihr Heimatland Wird Deutschland Genannt! Lieben Sie Es Vor allem! Handlung Nicht Wörter!"
* "Your Fatherland Is Called Germany! Love It Above All! Action Not Words!". (My country, right or wrong, a deprecated mindset not suitable to 21st century civilization)

# "Deutschlands Feinde sind Ihre Feinde. Hassen Sie Sie Mit Ihrem Ganzen Herzen!"
* "Germany's Enemies are Your Enemies. Hate Them With Your Whole Heart!". (And oh Lord, do right wing Americans hate anyone who disagrees with them with their whole heart)

# "Er, der Deutschland Missbraucht, Missbraucht Sie und Ihre Toten. Schlagen Sie Ihre Faust Gegen Ihn!"
* "He who Abuses Germany, Abuses You and Your Dead. Strike Your Fist Against Him!". (And they are so thin skinned to criticism!)

# "Die Deutschen Immer Vor dem Ausländer und Juden"
* "The German Always Before the Foreigner and Jew!" (Americans - right wing Americans - have an irrational hatred of anything non-American these days)


GrooveDygger - Keep punching...

Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
"Your Fatherland Is Called Germany! Love It Above All! Action Not Words!". (My country, right or wrong, a deprecated mindset not suitable to 21st century civilization)


GrooveDygger -- BTW, post-modernist thinkers decry America's invocation of sovereignty while contradictorily demanding respect for the sovereignty of a state such as Iraq: why is that?