Yeah put the titan in a defensive position with AM resupply like idk the TEC starbase or Advent AM ball and then it becomes very dam hard to kill the thing even if it isn't the TEC loyalists.

Here are some ideas.....

1. Have the cost, build time, and such increase with each death so that people don't get stupidly reckless with there titans and just run them everywhere to get xp.

2. Instead of having a level reduction why not just wipe there xp bar since its one big bar and not different ones for each level you'd have to trek through all the xp bars again every time you die instead of starting out at 500/1000 when you level. 

3. Make the level increase the cost, build time so for examples a beginning titan cost 9500 credits, where as a level 5 titan may cost around 20 to 30k to rebuild.

4. Make them like cap ships so that they reset every time they die but allow them to function the same as cap ships where as they get the xp buffs for each race and can buy they're first 3/4 levels

just ideas...

@ barebalo and Stein

Good ideas

I have two idea's i think would work.

1. Have titans cost 8 cap ship points. Increase cap ship points to 24. This means you still have your 16 cap ships and a titan or 24 caps ships. Simple to do the game can handle it as we have palyed a 4 v 4 lan game with i think it was 48 cap ships per player and the game ran fine so the engine can handle it.

2. Limit them to travel only without your own gravity wells - im not too fond of this but i think it would work and stop titan spamming because the way the game is now you can just to build a titan as fast as you can (22/23 mins?) then just send it at the enemy and keep doing that letting it die over and over and over until its level is higher

Keep titans as are  - let them keep their XP bo to build them required the following research

Level 8 Defense - Titan Hull

Level 8 Weapons - Titan Weapon Project

Level 8 Civilian - Titan Foundry (titan foundry should not be under tactical because the game mode win the game without building any tatical structures means no titans)

I dont think that the titans should not retain their XP regardless of what if any changes are made between now and the release.

I think the idea of 24 cap chips vs 16 caps and 1 titan would change up the game play nicely, especially if your titan loses a level - which of these two would you all prefer - 24 level 10 caps or/vs 16 level 10 caps with a level 10 titan

Honest answer? I personally like your first idea, but it needs some work. Maybe a little XP loss on death, or a build time or resource cos increase for each successive rebuild, something that makes it so that while losing your Titan doesn't equal instant loss, it also gives the other player/team a quantifiable advantage.

Make a Titan lose half it's exp... Small blow for weaker titans, huge blow for lv 10 titans

How about when you rebuild a Titan, it does not start with any of its previous XP. But, if you leave it in the docking bay, it gets "charged up" with XP until it was at its previous level? This gives you the Titan back and lets you compete against other Titans, but makes your Titan inactive for a time if you want it to be as powerful as before. This gives you a penalty for losing your Titan where you cannot use it if you want it to be strong, but losing it is not the end of the game for you.

First off, thanks for the reply Sareth. Very true. I hadn't really realized it until then, but the new ships definitely are letting me expand and defend for a significantly lower fleet supply than Trinity. This sounds like it'd be an issue, but with the extra money for trade ports/starbases, I feel both richer and stronger than ever.

On topic with titans: a couple things.

1) Concerning single player, I definitely agree that a player (or AI) should still be penalized if they lose a titan. Killing a titan, then jumping to the next well after the battle is over in time to see that SAME TITAN respawned and rejoining the fight? There's no joy there.

2) Increasing resources each additional build would do nothing to address the titan returning at full strength. All it'd do is, in a round about way, force a player to automatically lose if his titan was destroyed too much. It's the same as limiting the lives/rebuilds of the titan... too static, and introduces more problems than it solves.

3) I feel the idea of having upgrades taking time to come online is the best approach, perhaps with titans taking a couple minutes longer to rebuild. This keeps a titan from becoming a beast instantly after respawn, and doesn't punish too harshly for a careless death. It SHOULD allow a low level titan to quickly get back into the fight at top strength, while punishing a high level titan for his blunder. You'd just have to make sure it would only impair the titan, not basically give the other team a free "I win" card by crippling it's use.

4) Completely unrelated: if these forums are to be believed, why the deuce DOESN'T flak work effectively on bombers, anyway? Flak has, historically, always been a tool for bomber defense, not air superiority, and frankly, fighters seem pretty lackluster at air superiority anyway.

This. Increasing cost makes it punishing to lose resource wise, and increasing time gives the other player an opportunity to shift the strategic situation in his favor.

Oh, I also agreed with that, since I said they could also do the "make it take time for the weapon systems to come back online" instead of maybe the rebuild timer, but I feel the cost increase is justified.

AND CORVETTES ARE NEW LRMS

I think there is an easier way to keep the Titans under control.

Why not just make it financially difficult to sacrifice your titan.  Add 5% of cost to recreate a titan times the level.

so if you you lose a level 1 its

10,000. 500, 300

level 5

15000, 750, 450

etc.

Level 10

20000, 1000, 600

But make it in such a way that Tech pay slightly more in Gold percentage - since they have the better economy -+ 3%

Advent - percent increased for Crystal + 3%

Vasari - percetn increased for Metal  - +3%

That was losing a Titan doesn't end you but your economy takes a hit and your ability to field more units is delayed for a while.

BTW is it my or is the Advent Loyalist Titan scary - I have not used it yet, but Unity Mass can be devastating to a fleet and its ability to push away strikecraft is also pretty mean

I would really like to know how set in stone this issue is, or is it just part of the beta process.

If this is a developers vision of the game, i will focus my beta thoughts elsewhere. With titans keeping their level, the game is even more focused on that one ship.