New Update.  SOA2 0.4.5E ready for download, link in top post as well.  Patch is cumulative.

Works for me, so I'd suggest verifying you have the mods stacked in the correct order -

1. 4.5e
2. fleet mod
3. 4.3e

If you can't even get Entrenchment to run, go into the mods folder and rename them (add a 1 or something).  That should force the game to start in vanilla.  Worst case scenario, you can always reinstall.

Always overwrite to patch.

There are situations where that will break, it's only worked because there were manifest changes to accompany the file alterations, without the accompanying manifest you're screwed out of whatever related files were altered.

I'll be in the Sins IRC channel most of the day if someone needs help.

If it dumps out on startup, you hosed your patch job.  I verified none of the changes added any error messages on startup, and checked the standard executable as well just in case it was something weird.  I even made a fresh installation in case I'd missed a previous file modification.

A manifest mismatch would cause a dump on startup, if you accidentally canceled an overwrite, that would do it.

Rebel ships are just neutrals that attack anything in their well.  What side they're spawned by determines where they go, the mechanics to make them friendly to you when you invade their well aren't there though.

As far as them continuing to come even after you've destroyed the research labs, will see about getting the trigger switched.  It's a lesser of two evils sort of thing.  Do we want them to go away when the side has been reduced, or do we want them to stay and function as the remains of the enemy fleets harassing your ass even after you've wiped out their command structure?

If your last remaining opponent is dead, why are you still playing with the rebels?  Shouldn't the victory screen have come up by now?

You're asking for the impossible.  The rebellion mechanic is set in stone.  We can't spawn friendly rebel fleets, we can't make them hold off till the last ones are killed.  All we can do is change the composition, frequency and size of the fleets.

They're not supposed to be rebels, why would Federation rebels pop up in Klingon space?  There just isn't anything we can do about them attacking your own side.  A little bit of overlooking on your part is necessary here, how would you ever play a Feds versus Feds game if not?

If you still get raped and can't deal with them after you know about it, there's a problem.  Either with you or their strength.  Not dealing with them and letting them build up to hundreds of ships over an hour's time isn't particularly indicative of anything.

Hi guys. Love this mod I never play normal sins any more. I would like to add to this debate over insurgent ships. I like it. It's like in the shows the Klingons kept raiding behind Dominion lines. I am playing as Federation against Klingons, Romulans and two Dominion who are teamed up, all on unfair difficulty. I am slowly advancing against my enemies, but to combat the insurgents I have had to build a starbase in every one of my gravity wells. My only issue with the insurgents is that by the time you have destroyed them the next wave is inbound. Maybe the time between the attacks could be increased to ten or fifteen minutes. If not I can live with it. Once again love the mod. Thanks.

    My main concern is that they need the research lab numbers to keep the tech active, I should be able to shut them down with precision strikes at their labs. My main problem was I've been playing small fleets so I dd not have the fleet numbers to cover all the five system map I was playing. I know I have a habit of asking the impossible, but do rebel numbers come into affect with the size of the fleets?

its always good to come back to this mod... very relaxing.

lol fighters and bombers aren't worth crap really I noticed, they get blown out of the sky if the right type of ships are mixed in, unfair AI tends to actually mix anti-fighter class ships well with their fleets, first thing to go in the gravity well are the fighters and bombers. Starbases alone can take a good punishment vs a small to medium sized fleet, vs a large fleet I haven't had the luxury to face yet

Hold up, by saying the patch is cumulative, you mean the entire mod is in the patch right?

Patch being cumulative means you don't need to patch in order with each additional patch that's come out, previously updated files are all included in the new patch.

The mod itself is 400+ megs zipped up, if we made you download the whole thing for a patch, some of you would have to kill yourselves in frustration.

(Facepalm)

Good ability idea, although I'm pretty sure the ship lineup is set in stone and they are already working on new planet types.