Here we go again........
Yes I am actually because your so damn convinced your right, your still talking about shit that no longer protain to Iraq in its current state as if nothings changed over there. Iraq hasnt been in all out "hide from the terrorists" mode since '07. Also throughout your post you made accusations that are obvious you didnt really pay attention to what was going on both here in the States and over there.
Of
course things have improved, becuase they could hardly get
worse, and even a mess like Iraq will have some capacity for self-organization. My point (which you keep ignoring) is that things were (and still are) such a mess
because we decided to go off on our little crusade. I'd like to see you claim that power, water, police forces, schools, industry, and so on were never disrupted in the least and your little friends didn't cause
any civillian deaths or loss of property
whatsoever (which, from what I've seen so far, you probably will).
If you dont have classified documents, then how are you making a full unbiased assesment?
It doesn't take a top-level briefing to see the handwriting on the wall........ especially when the claims made against it are statistically dubious to the point of impossibility.
Saddam was intent on his own land? Were you not around for the first Gulf War, how about the fighting between Iraq and Iran?
Actually, I wasn't, but not only was that decades ago when the regime was much stronger, but it actually contributed to Saddam's following introversion. Not to mention, the Saudi-US military pact was one of the big things that made some young Mujahadeen rebel named Bin Laden very angry at the First World (you
do know what the First world is, I hope....)
Where have I gone off in a monologue about freedom? Again putting words in my mouth and twisting things. Congrats you keep making yourself look like you dont know what your talking about. People only twist and make shit up when they dont have a valid arguement.
Lemme see....:
Oh dont forget that Saddam was murdering anyone he didnt agree with. It wasnt about wether they were guilty of something or he just didnt see eye to eye with them. But your right we should have left them under a dictator that killed for sheer enjoyment.
The country is now back in the hands of its own people. The last two times the country voted the majority of people turned out. People are free to go about as they like. If you actually understood the dynamics of the Iraqis and whats the real issues youd stop spewing shit.
They werent scared to tell us what they thought. They were afraid of the terrorists forcing their daughters into marriage without their parents concent. They were afraid because the Terrorists were judging men and women and beheading them when they didnt agree with them. And before you say oh well if we didnt invade they wouldnt have to deal with terrorists...yeah they wouldnt, theyd still have the biggest terrorist of them all Saddam. Youd be horrified at the number of mass graves US troops came across.
You're right! You haven't gone off into
a monologue about "FREEDOM". You've gone off into
three.
I never ignored anyone, your again twisting what I said. If you seriously cant make an arguement with anything more then putting words in someones mouth or twisting what they said. Your not worth debating.
You're ignoring me, now. You're ignoring the evidence of instability and popular dissatisfaction I'm
assuming you saw if you were indeed actually in Iraq in some sort of long-term capacity and not just lying to make yourself seem more credible...... you're ignoring repeated attempts by myselfand other posters to break out of this mind loop and not derail the thread........ those are the three big ones.... plus the points about rampant pop-culture militarism and grounds of a threat that I mentioned above..........
All of the stuff you mentioned Scout, weve done, The US funds police departments being built, local Iraqi Army etc etc, and of course public schools, factories, and water treatment facilities. Your way behind on the times if you think the US hasnt gotten around to building that stuff. Like I said you havent been there obviously because your statements sound alot like stuff coming from people back in '04 who only watched the news and assumed what they were being told was the truth.The US isnt there just to fuck shit up and then move on,
I'm impressed. I thought you'd just attack me directly and say that my strategy would never work, citing some sort of Heritage Foundation anti-New Deal drivel that would effectively self-debunk. But instead, you actually
agree with me...... there's hope for you yet. In any case, the US has 1) destroyed a perfectly good infrastructure just to get at the overgrown schoolyard bully at the top, and 2) been fiddling around with elections and imaginary WMD and that sort of thing for a good six years at the very least. Considering the pace of construction I've observed here at home, I can't imagine very many
finished projects in that time (although you no doubt will think of one or two examples to make you and your gun-toting assosciates look like Bob The Builder), and even
then I
highly doubt that we'll see any sort of large impact for a few more years.
No one was FOCUSING on Elections. The AMERICAN people and the WORLD was focused on Elections. Because like usual people with no clue about the current situation ASSUME they know whats best for something they arent truely educated on. And sorry to burst your bubble but obviously you dont. People wanted the elections to come and go because they assumed if the country had a government it would be able to handle itself and the US could immediately pull out. Let me educate you on something. Infrastructure comes before Government. Without schools, public facilities, etc etc. The government will be hollow.
I'm well aware of that. In fact, I outlined exactly the sort of strategy you're talikng about above (minus the ranting). Did you just not
read it, or could you not understand the big words?
The Military was forced to push the elections to the forefront because of pressure from home. Not because that was their main short term goal.
So, you chose to actively support a strategy you
knew was going to fail miserably....
why?? Because you didn't think you had a choice? Because you didn't care about the lives and livlihoods you were jeprodizing? Or because you could only realize that the push for "FREEDOM" was a dumb idea with massive amounts of hindisght?
And why do I get such a strong Palin vibe from your posts? Maybe because you keep claiming that I've somehow used my evil voodoo h4cker skillz to make you just seem like you're saying outlandish things?
