Edit: Almost forgot, sorry for the galaxy worth of text, and tell me if I fogot anything or made a mistake. And tell me what you think of the story I have so far my book. Still working on the title.
whoever wrote the comment that grandadmiralsova quote shouldn't bother to argue with him any longer.
He is hell bent on finding every flaw there is just to push his arguements foward.
I am just doing my best here with limited time to do stuff. There's just to many posts to keep track of right now. So till me if I did anything wrong also, I invite everone to do that all the time.
I shoot a .22 at an adult oak tree. The tree blows up. Am I calmly accepting what I expected to happen, or have I just shit a brick over a horrifyingly abnormal result from my pea shooter? They expected the results they saw. That the sensors were fooled and the planet was shielded from harm doesn't change that they expected to blow up a third of the planetary crust in a couple seconds time. Your logic sucks donkey balls.
It only "sucks donkey balls" if they didn't say what the false info was at Memory Alpha, I just gave what I found, and thank you for correcting me. I just do the best I can with the time and resources I have. But it really blew up? I have to say that's more power then I would have thought. Amzaing shot there.
They were fed back false info about the number of life forms, and they found out this was false info because they looked at the planet and a third of its surface was on fire. So the volley did as much damage as said.
Sorry, it didn't say that it was only life forms, it just said false information about it at Memory Alpha. So it can do that then. I am sorry, but I just went by what I found.
Lol, not really, no. I love how you try to make a scientific argument like that without knowing any of the science. I honestly don't know the science, but at least I can show an elementary understanding. Consider this scientific fact: The reaction of one kilogram of anti-matter with its matter equivalent, about 2.2 pounds, releases about 2 x 10^15 kJ. That's 47 the equivalent of 47 megatons of explosives, from just one kilogram of anti-matter. That's not just a Star Trek fact, that's a real fact. Of course, even if we assume a reasonable energy output of 50% of theoretical, that's still over 20 megatons of explosives coming from one kilogram. Realistically, to destroy a small moon, you would need about one million kilograms. Not a trivial matter of course, this one be about the size of a small asteroid worth of antimatter. But then again, considering that you want to make a [fictional spaceships vs. fictional spaceships that could and never can exist] argument, it's rather asinine for you to criticize the science of star trek.
If you consider anti-matter destroying a planet inane, let's look at the science of Halo, because you clearly seem to think that Halo is not only uber over Star Trek, but more realistic.
A space station can fire a 3000 ton (approx 2700000kg) metal projectile at 30,000 km/s. It accelerates the 2,700,000 kg projectile to 120,000 km/s by applying force using magnets (!) over the course of only a kilometer. If you know anything about basic physics, you know that this is simply dumb to even consider possible. The energy necessary is so tremendous that it could be better used constructing more advanced weapons. Case in point: you can't argue against the science of Star Trek from a Halo standpoint because not only is Star Trek a sci fi series, Halo's science is just as stupid, and the way its science is utilized is simply dumber.
If in Halo, a 27 gigaton bomb can destroy a quarter of the surface of a planet a crack a moon when detonated in space (a laughable proposition at best), then yes, it's completely acceptable for a photon torpedo to destroy a small planet.
I am sorry, I didn't mean to exaggerate it, but I was just saying that you need a giant torpedo either way for that. And I do not criticize ST tech(except the AM reactor a few times), I just can't see any Sci-Fi else where taking on that sort of weapon.
And I think UNSC tech, besides the massive amounts of power which I know are insane, are more realistic, but ST is no more in many areas. Anti-matter matter weapons will most likely be used in the far future. I don't think that either is more realistic. And ok then, the photon torpedo with the right yield is enough to do that. Edit: And the station fires at 40 percent the speed of light! And that bomb based off of the effect given is in the Teraton range! I even did it late at night, and its late now: 6000MTx9x100=540Teratons. So they are using one giant bomb that was to wipe clean space of the Covenant.
Ok, seriously, leave the science out of it. Just because the opposition stoops to reality while arguing fiction doesn't mean we have to join them.
Although I guess it is rather hilarious that a nuclear bomb detonated in space does anything but make pretty lights...
I'd rather stick to conventional warheads too, it's not as if they run around firing off those big daddies in conventional warfare. That was a one time doomsday device to convince certain unmentionably stupid alternate universe aliens, that I'm still pretending don't exist, to fuck off and go away.
Not to mention it's terribly unfair to Halo, next you'll be mentioning time travel, subspace tears, all kinds of nasty tricks.
And I am sorry about exaggerating how much is needed, I just find it hard for there to be that much fire power in such a small weapon even for Sci-Fi! And reality counts since that is what both are based off. One is with stuff that can kill all life in the galaxy and the other has time travel and other stuff.
Oh? Will if the day comes during your life that a giant hunk of space rock with our name on it comes hurtling down from the heavens all those people who think that nukes can be more then pretty lights by saving the world I bet you would't find it so hilarious then. But then it could take all the nuclear weapons in the world to have a chance against one of the really big rocks, even if they just blow them up off the surface to move it.
And thank you for going with normal warheads. I wish I had never even seen a VOY or ENT episode! I wish they didn't count! Ugh, I hate ENT and VOY, I rarely watch them but even now they make my head hurt from just thinking about them.
We have to assume Slipspace and Warp are the same thing, otherwise there is no way to put the two against each other. We have to compare relative technologies, and if they don't match in some way, then they cannot be compared. However, as I said earlier, I took Slipspace, and translated it into Warp speeds, seeing as someone actually took the trouble to do some calculations, unlike basically ANY technology from Halo. Thus, Slipspace, being the same as Warp, Halo ships would be able to be fired upon by Star Trek ships, due to the fact that Torpedoes and newer Phasers (Type XII and newer) can be fired at warp speeds.
On the note of MC getting onto a ship and just blowing shit up, remember that the UNSC does NOT have a counter to transporter technology, especially not Star Trek transporter technology. Thus, MC wouldn't have an inhibitor, and the second MC started doing ANYTHING hostile on the ship, he would be confined between two forcefields and all access to that DECK would be shut down. Assuming Cortana pulled a trick out of her cyber-ass and got MC out of that, they would just trap him again, and beam his suit off, which is possible, seeing as they have beamed weapons off of other people.
On the Enterprise, Data and Geordi made connections to make it so that Data could interface directly with the Enterprise. Assuming that the UNSC and the Federation had met\talked\whatever, and it came to blows, Data would most likely hook up to the Enterprise to counter any UNSC AIs.
Ok then, the MC can not board your ships easily. And thank for correcting me about Data vs Cortana there, shall don't know which would win, but that would be a battle to see for sure.
And what then is stopping anyone from saying that the Covenant can blow up worlds like DS 1 or ST can do that. They are not the same! They can not! Halo ships have never engaged each other in Slipspace, and since that even the lowest level of Warp allows that to happen in ST then they are not in any way the same beyond that they are FTL drives.
Phasers travel at .983c. Torpedoes at Warp 9.6. Even then, there is no proof that Covenant weapons can pierce Federation shields SINCE THERE ARE NO NUMBERS.
On MACs, see my previous post about how MACs are useless weapons against Star Trek ships, leaving Archer Missiles, which can be shot down, and Covenant weapons, which no information about them are listed ANYWHERE, cannonically.
Phasers can go at .983c. if they are fired in Warp space! Not one thing in either universes can go by the light barrier unless they use their FTL drives. Phasers will not be faster then light in a vaccum. And Covenant weapons would most likely be able to, it would just take a dozen or so Plasma Torepdos or at most four Energy Projector blast I think. And since the books count they are listed cannonically.
Then you can't compare Warp and Slipspace, seeing as Slipspace doesn't exist in Star Trek, and vice versa.
That's why I said that for comparision's sake we would say they are the same thing. Read an entire post and THINK before you post a reply.
If we say they are the same thing then whats stopping us from turnig both universe up side down? They are two ways to get by the light speed barrier and that all that matters besides the fact that ST can't attack a ship in Slipspace and Halo can't attack ships at Warp.
Halo weapons are WAAAAAAAAAAY too slow to even consider hitting a Star Trek ship at warp, let alone impulse speeds (with one maybe two exceptions). Since there is virtually NO data on Slipstream Space cannonically, there is no way to know if a Star Trek vessel could fire on a Halo vessel in Slipspace. The likeliest possibility is catching a torpedo in the Slipspace wake, and taking it along for the ride, or having the ship itself slip in. But, because of SERIOUS lack of information, there is no way to know what would happen at that point.
The weapons that can take you out at Impulse speeds would be: Energy Projector c, Pulse Laser turret c and Plasma Torpedo at half c.
You can not fire in Slipspace, with the exception of the Foreunner divice in First Strike that took a dozen or two dozen Covi ships along for the ride. And I don't know if sending a torpedo into the wake would work or not since the ship once back in normal space would most likely be a fair distance from where they returned, but that ship following could work after they learn enough about it; or seeing part of a city being pulled along by a massive Assault Carrier.
Since this debate takes place during 'mid-TNG' and the range is from an episode in season 4, this is probably the best range to use.
Then lets go with that.
Maximum impulse is .75c, or 244,844 km\s. Does no one read my posts?
The fastest RECORDED Halo weapon is the MAC, at 30,000 km\s. Thus my OTHER post about how MACs are useless.
Who said it was 'Mid-TNG" exactly? I assume 2379, or Star Trek Nemesis. Like how I assume the Halo end is basically the end of Halo 3.
Photon range is 4,050,000 km and they travel at warp 9.6 for something like 10 seconds. I will look it up.
Yes, I and I think everone reads your post. And that is not the fast RECORDED Halo weapon! The fast are pulse lasers and Energy Projectors, next would be Plasma Torpedos, then the 40 percent LY Super MAC, then the ship MAC which is 30,000 km/s. Do you read my post? I and others already mention how fast other weapons are. And I said at the top. But lets just put that to rest and not talk about the MAC anymore if we can..
Now lets go with a timeline of mid-TNG for ST and the end of the First Battle of Reach in Halo.
I was thinking of one of the episodes around season four's Future Imperfect. Since unlike VOY episodes like the one with the Doctor 700 years in the future; the only one I know of that did that, they would all be in chronological order by season, and tell me if I'm wrong. Quote." This is a good day to die, and this day is not yet over-" Worf. Tell me if I quoted that wrong.
Agh! To many posts to respond to.
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Prologue___________________________________
0706 Hours, July seventh, 3107, Military Calendar. 47 Ursae Majoris system, planet New Constantinople. SCIC Ship Nemesis.
Space was calm ten million kilometers from the world of New Constantinople-then space seem to expand from a pinpoint into a pulsing portal of green-white. And out of the realm of what humans called Hyperspatialstream the one point three kilometer long cruiser Nemesis drifted out, the primary fusion drives blazed to life as the ship accelerated toward the planet.
Captain Alexander Kane watch as data scrolled across the tactical display, currently showing the surrounding space.
Next to a holo of the ship was a count down timer, 5:43 Seconds to the drop.
“Sir, incoming transmission from General Nelson,” Com officer Calvin Jaggers reported.
“Patch him through.”
There was a moment of static before clearing up to the sound of gunfire and small explosions.” This is Gene-l Nelson; commanding officer of One-oh-fi-Orbital Drop Troopers Company to Sol Core Interstellar Command vessel Nemesis-” the sound of a large explosion drowned him out-”eed help. CGA forces have us pinned down and out numbered five to one. Please respo-” the transmission was cut off by an even larger explosion for a split second before going to static.”
“Jade, can you hack into the orbital Com gird yet?” He asked the small, green holographic woman to his right.
“Not yet sir, they locked the entire grid down with one hell of a firewall. At this rate, by the time I get into the satellite grid we will have gone through a thousand geo-orbi-those crazy bastards... They detonated the main central reactors for the entire southern continent.”
“They blew the Mariana reactors! What the hell is going on down there? They took themselves and half the continent up in flames!”
“Sir, system wide transmission from the capital city of Vensa. Playing now,” Jaggers said.
“This is Colonel Faison Maine of the Colonial Guard Army. What you are about to see and hear is what the so-called defender of the colonies, the SCIC attempted to stop us from librating this Inner Sphere world from their tyranny.” What was showed next was a video of what appeared to be SCIC Army division Engineers and a Colonel ordering them to overload the Mariana reactors-” cut the transmission.”
He ordered in disgust and hatred at what these people-no, anyone that would do these could not truly be human any longer, even if they had once been.
He opened a Com channel to the ODS commander on the ship, Major Dante Lionsdale.” Major, things have just gotten worse, they blew the Mariana reactors and sent a system wide transmission blaming the SCIC. Your new objective it capturing this Colonel Faison Maine, take him alive. You will be dropped half a kilometer from the waterfront. It seems that this Faison sent his message from the Governor’s office.”
“Yes sir! They think they can get away with doing this to my home world there in for a big surprise, sir.”
“Good luck Major, and God speed. Bridge out”
“Good luck Major, and God speed. Bridge out.”
The Captain had closed the channel. Dante yelled in anger and knock a small carte over before calming down. He had never thought it would get this far, the entire war, never had he thought that they would make it into the Inner Sphere, and his home.
He marched out of the his team’s Drop Pod, and into the main cargo bay twenty meters aft.
“Listen up Marines! These sons of bitch’s just made the biggest mistake in history by attacking my home world. Now we are going to go on a trip to the capital and shove a cork up there asses so hard their heads will exploded! Am I right Marines?”
“Sir yes sir!” They replied, they knew that he had a temper, he had lost his parents when he was thirteen to a CGA bombing on the Middle Regions world of Onyx, that had been eleven years ago, two years after it had started in the Outer Regions. After becoming a Marine he had risen thourgh the ranks until he becam a Major two years ago.
Will that’s what I got so far. Do you like it? I want to start the series out with this conflict to get the main characters fleshed out. But I could use some help with the story arch with what I have planed for the first contact type book. I want something like Halo with the combat in some ways but more believable in tech for the era such as weapons like Rail and Coil guns small enough for infantry use.
And how many of you here have played the 2002 game Defender? I was thinking of using the Battleship Patriot for how the large human ships look. Instead of a massive energy weapon for the giant turret have it be a dual coil gun like what the UNSC uses but more powerful.
And if anyone wants to put this up somewhere else just remember to put my name there as the writer or I will have to send a team of Spartan III‘s after you... Or the annoying floating eye!
And any suggestions for it? Like a better name then what I have now for FTL travel? It just doesn't feel right and I can’t think of anything else right now.
And tell me if there is anything I fogot or made a mistake on. Its far to hard to keep track of this must.
This has been a UNSC transmission.
