People that play as a team with their friends and get high on the ladder are one thing.  A guy that can get placed with a random group of people and consistently win is far more skilled.  Some people will play the single player random team ladder for the challenge, and they will succeed in spite of their team mates.

Custom games do not offer this option because if you join solo you pretty much have to assume that at least a couple of the players in the game are on Vent or what not.  Further, custom games will not be ranked soon, as Frogboy has said, because they are too easy to exploit.

If you want to play as a team with your friends, what is so bad about having a separate ladder for that purpose?  I do that sometimes, and I would have no problem getting put on the "team ladder" when I do it.  Unless the only way you feel you can win is if you have the overwhelming advantage of playing with your buds, talking over vent, while the other team is made of up three guys who have never spoken to one another and some of whom probably don't even read.

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Im going to be honest with you...I have trouble even reading your post and understanding anything your saying.

You dont ever hit the "Enter" key so its just one big blob of text with no punctuation, misspelled words etc. You said something to me there about Im not even playing because Im waiting or something. Not even sure what the hell your talking about.

I have 3 Impulse accounts and 3 copies of the game on 3 computers. So you know everything Im doing eh? Ive been playing alot of network games with my son and cousin actually but have played online games as well. I havent been playing on my Tekkor name until the fixes are made but I have been playing on one of my other accounts (they will most likely wipe stats Im thinking anyway).

You said something to me about clan features or someone releasing a game. Dude....I have no idea what your even trying to say. Take some time and read what your typing. Hit the enter key to make a paragraph. Im not trying to be the grammer police but all your posts Ive seen are the same. 

I don't think you are getting your point across because you are mischaracterizing the debate that is going on in this thread. As for your wording "go online and play with other people by yourself", I really have to ask how serious you are. By definition, if someone is going online to play with other people, they are not playing by themselves.

If you want someone to take your point, you have to be honest as to what the debate is about and you have to make sense. Sorry, but that's just how it works.

Outside of that, it's hard to take your assertions that an RT ladder has no value when in fact Warcraft 3 has a very robust random teams ladder. Your argument fails when held up to the light of what is actually put into practice by the top multiplayer game company (Blizzard Entertainment) in the world.

My idea is to make both at first, then if one has too few ppl playing just dump it. If there's enough players for both keep both. But yeah i agree on the point that sometimes even if you got a team, you may wwant to play alone as well, and you should be able to do that. Since ppl here are working already and we may not be able to form a team every night so we basically need a quick match once in a while, that's what Pantheon is for at the moment.

i don' get what your problem with seperated pantheons is, the random matchup and the team based one? teams could play on team ladder, people who don't have a team (maybe cause they don't play that hardcore, or no team want's them, or some other reason) can play random ladder.

you want to get free kills against random players with your pro-team? what's competitive about that? if you dont want the free noob kills, then your reasoning seems a little bit off!

I don't believe that the separate ladder for teams would work in reality and here is why...

In WC3 or COH, sure you have something called AT and something called PUG or PUB, and there are separate ladders (stats) for both. However, in COH and WC3, AT manly refers to 2v2 games. So, unless anyone is suggesting there should be a separate 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, 5v5 ladders and queues - it is safe to assume that only 5v5 games are considered "team and competitive games" in DG (the same is with DOTA no?).

The point is there is not enough people to have a system where there would constantly be 5v5 games between teams of comparable skill (ladder) . Hell, the most populated place to play DOTA when I was playing it was DOTA league, and it is organised as a PUG, but with a scoring system (somthing like pantheon is now but needs more people skill data and maybe even better skill measuring algorithm...)

For arranged teams, there are custom games (some CW channel would be great) and, may I suggest, a periodic online tournament with prizes and, of course, front page coverage etc etc. Periodic tournaments would make winning it much more important then some ladder season, and would involve the rest of the community (PUBs) much more (esp. if the replay system starts working).

Bottom line, if you want a good competitive 5v5 scene, you need to have a good and populated PUB scene. Also, you need competitions that really matter, not just some "point gathering" system that would come down to what team can play more games during the season.

BTW this is the video OP mention i guess http://ve3d.ign.com/videos/45501/PC/Demigod/Trailer/Brad-Wardells-Day-7-Status-Update

Once againg thanks for the nearly unreadable blob of text.

I said in the post your referring to that me and my son had been holding off playing much online because we wanted the favor point reset thing fixed. This is because we play alot of network games and those count to your single player points. Sucks they go away soon as you play a onine game. But I have a 3rd account and play that online. I have played plenty of games online...but in truth...what the hell does that have to do with what we were talking about?

What because I dont play enough online matches I cant comment on a Pantheon game setup? LOL...whatever. 

Plus....anyway....you obviously didnt read any of the posts either. I NEVER said we needed to have two seperate or dual pantheons. Never. Read through my posts. I never suggested two different leaderboards or anything like that (if somehow I did it was not intended). The point many of us made is only in when it matches people to play to match preset teams together and random teams together to PLAY A GAME. The stats can all go on the same Pantheon results.

2 Pantheons is a good idea.

One for Arranged Teams/Clans and Onefor Random Teams

To simplify, you could merge Arranged Teams with Clans.  So in order to play on a team with someone you must be in the same clan.  This encourages groups of people who play together frequently to give themselves a name. 

And even if your playing with someone who you don't normally play with, you either invite them to your clan, or create a new one.  It's as simple as naming your team.  To keep the stats from being saturated with one game clans, maybe a clan has to log 5 games together before their stats start getting counted.  Or maybe during your first five games, if you go more than a month between games those stats are lost.  Or not who, cares if there are a bunch of 1 game clans?

I just hope this is coming soon.  If they haven't even started, it could be a looong wait.

Nobody is talking about a "single player type approach". Either you have a really big problem with reading comprehension, or you're trolling.

The premade teams will steamroll random teams, so it should be premade v premade and random v random so that it's fair.

The peope who don't have a team to play with will not be able to enjoy the game at all. Don't you care for other people... at all?

[quoteA guy that can get placed with a random group of people and consistently win is far more skilled. [/quote]

More lucky I would say. Even if you're the best player ever, if your team is feeding, you aren't going to win. Skill or no skill, being outgeared will make you lose. You won't be able to kill your enemies, or they'll do so much damage that you won't be able to stay in attack range.

In all honesty though...a large part of the issue of "getting a game now" is the connection issues. I tried to get in 6 games last night and gave up after repeated kicks. So that will improve and make it more viable to have the seperate queues. Also keep this in mind...they could make it where if your joining solo you can select an option to be joined to either type of game. Premade teams or not. So if you dont want to wait just do that etc. 

On the deal of joining together at same time and all that....yeah thats fine if people want to do that but it doesnt 100% guaranteee all of you will get on the same team. Although Im sure its fairly high with the disconnect issues. Try that though when the bots are phased out and people can connect more reliably and I bet your saem team percentage is going to go down.