It's the will of Landru...

I blame the accursed Browser Wars. HTML was supposed to be a STANDARD. I'm no fundamentalist when it comes to cosmology, but network standards are another thing entirely.

People who copy texts to explain themselves and their religion are the most dangerous of sorts to encounter because they can't explain themselves with their own words. Their slaves to something they cant question.

God did not create Man, Man created God.

It is easy to look around and ask 'where did all this come from?', and because you don't have an answer, you say some all powerful being created it. God is a convenience to explain away all the things you do not understand.

Man is such an arrogant species he cannot admit he doesn't know things.

So, what about the creation of the universe? The most enlightened and intelligent thing to do is to admit you don't know. We as a species do not yet possess the knowledge or intelligence to be able to understand the simplest concepts about the origin of the universe.

If we do not accept this 'revelation', we will remain forever in the dark ages.

Are you really asking, "Who made God?"

We must begin to answer by separating the Creator from the created creature. If God were made, then He would be a contingent, a dependent creature. He would be a composite being, made up of parts subject to decomposition, death and therefore not a pure Spirit as is God.

God told us Hmself that He is the "I AM WHO AM". In other words, God has no past or future, He is Eternal Being and therfore without a beginning or an end.

I've just discussed that God's existence can be proved in many ways, but the simplest is known as the argument from design. Not only must a watch come from a watchmaker, but every part of it must have had a designer who knew how to make it. The cosmos  and all that's in it, including life, is full of design, infinitely more wonderful than the watch. That is undeniable.

Obviously, then, the cosmos and all that's in it, including life must have had a designer with tremendous intelligence. Matter itself is designed. Not only the cosmos but the matter of which the cosmos is made must have had a Designer, Another word for designer of matter, is Creator God. 

Catholics look at God to be the First Cause. The first is first, and we cannot logically and rationally ask, if the first is first, who made the first?

If there were such an impossible thing as the casue of the First Cause, it would not be the First Cause. Asking Who made God is as far fetched as asking who made water wet or what makes a circle round, how high is up.

God is a Self-Existent, Spiritual Being, the "I AM WHO AM," the Causeless Cause, the Maker of the made.

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Here's another story. 

The whole universe can be compared to a giant Erector set in which the atoms are various parts. They can be fitted together to make all the countless substances useful to man. Matter didn't exist forever; it was created and the Creator is called God.

The story is told of a famous astronomer who was being visited by an evolutionist scientist friend who claimed to be an atheist. The latter was admiring the working model of the solar-system that stood upon a table; by turning the handle the planets could be made to revolve in their respective orbits around the sun.

"Very ingenious indeed," he remarked. "Who made it?" 

"Oh, nobody particular."

"Tell me, I want to know--who made it?"

"Nobody made it...it just happened--it made itself."

The scientist realized he was being taught a lesson and became annoyed.

"You're trying to be funny," he said.

"How silly you are" exclaimed the astronomer. "you can't believe that this little model made itself, and yet, you believe that the real sun, and moon and earth, planets, and stars, and everything else, in the vast universe just came into existence without any Maker!" 

Lula, better hit the science books again, you seem to be falling behind. While there, you might want to review “evolution” too.You may not know what electricity or energy is (hahaha) but that is only because it isn’t described in minute detail in your book of books like the rest of our world history hehehe, is all. You like to use the term “fully understood” as if it means anything … it doesn’t in the context you are trying to use it in. Maybe you could explain why there are over a thousand different sects of Christianity … is that a result of the bible being “fully understood”, I think not. “We can agree to disagree on whether or not Theology is a branch of science.” No we can’t, sorry. Theology has nothing at all to do with science (yikes, enemies) and it doesn’t matter one iota how you feel about it, hahaha. “Irreducible complexity” is a term used by “Intelligent Design” aficionados who are trying to revive “Creationism” after the Christians bungled that one too much to salvage. Lula, if you are trying to prove something is true … all you have to do is tell the truth. Continued use of words like “implies” (suggests), “by deduction” (assumption), “a clue” (hint) and “tiny size” (small) are not very useful to your cause. Obviously the school board agrees with me too … so I am not the problem. Name just one scientific conclusion that even suggests that any of your mystical nonsense is real … just ONE?

Thanks for your advice however, no need...

I think Dr. JBHL did a good job.

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I admit I (we) don't know what electricity or energy is, period.....but, apparently you think you (we) do! So, here's your chance...What exactly is electricity and energy?

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First, there is but one Christianity.

There was/is but one Church and one holy religion (Christianity) up until 1517 when the Protestant religion and sects were established. Those thousands of Protestant sects were established not because they "fully understood" the Holy Bible, but rather because they misunderstood the true meaning of the Holy Bible.

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Electricity: Well if you really want to discuss this (hahaha), you should prepare yourself by learning some terminology and concepts that are probably not in the Bible, sorry. Try these for starters: Electrical phenomena in nature, Basic electric circuits, basic electromagnetism, electric potentials, electric fields, electric currents, and electric charges. You also might want to brush up on your nuclear science as in atomic structure, molecules, electrons, protons, neutrons for starters there. Then we can talk electricity after all you said “I admit I (we) don't know what electricity or energy is, period”. So what are we going to talk about here until you read up some??? This is a good starting place foe energy too but it is complicated if for no other reason there are quite a lot of varieties of it. Chemical energy, cellular energy, nuclear energy, electrical energy, stellar energy with a wide variety of types, thermal energy, and if one is religious, there is also instant energy. Where do you want to start without the foggiest idea huh? If you want to discuss this topic further … take it to one of my posts please.

“First, there is but one Christianity.” Another side step I see: Half the Christians in the world are of the RCC … the other half of the Christians are not Catholics. I think the other half (exceptions) preaches God’s love (FTMP) and the RCC teaches God’s hate (FTMP) … polar opposites, your logic is frightening.  Protestants and their sects are your problem and not mine because I don’t care about it. It is amazing though that everyone ELSE (and I do mean EVERYONE) is only capable of misunderstanding the Bible except for Lula or the RCC, go figure. Maybe it is something they put in their bread offerings hahaha. I was wrong (benefit to you) … there are 38,000 Christian denominations around the world … and you avoided this issue in the usual manor, hehehe.

Sinperium, hello again! As you didn’t single out anyone I thought I would chime in. What are likeminded people supposed to chat about … what ails them or what doesn’t? In either case, it will disparage the believers. I don’t know of any requirement to give someone the benefit of the doubt (to anyone) … just because they believe in something and especially when they admit they cannot prove any of it at all. As I said before, I could care less what Christians, Muslims, Jews or whatever else, believes in or practices. I just don’t believe in them … no more than I do Thor, Odin, the Easter bunny, the flying purple people eater or the devil. My main issue with all religions is just keeping them away from our children in the public schools.

Nothing began.

Nothing will end.

Nothing.

Really, and would that be closer to or farther away from reality?