can you guys can give my beta acses to another person who wants it? i'm living in 4 days and will not be able to play for 3 months so at this time i will be usless.

Yes it is getting ridiculous that everyone and thier mother is requesting to join the beta. Despite us saying we dont need testers a post or two above them. We know the real reason they want to join is so they can get thier hands on an early release of the mod. They do not know that beta testing SoA 2 is not as it seems, and can be a major pain in the @$$.

The main topic has been edited. STOP ASKING TO JOIN THE BETA- Major Stress

Sorry to see you go xhenia. but we are not going to fill your slot. We still have more than enough testers to achieve our goals. Good luck on your travels.

All current beta testers need to get MSN, or live messenger, and share your contact info with the SoA2 dev's. We need ways to directly communicate with you. PM the SoA2Team with your info.

The problems we are having now are because we do not have a developer exe for entrenchment 1.02. So we really dont know if what we are changing is causing problems or not because we dont get any error messeges. Sins is pretty forgiving as far as minor errors and will continue to run despite those errors, but run up too many, and blammo dump city.

WE NEED A DEV.EVE!

Really? You're going to trash talk guys who are offering to help? You don't have to refer to us as "they", we're right here.

I'm sorry you saw us as impatient, greedy freeloaders.

Yikes.

I saw that when I logged on today .  I still am not quite so sure it's the Borg abilities, but like Major Stress says we don't know for sure because none of us can play the game using a developer .exe (the latest one I got is for 1.0.1).  I hadn't recieved a minidump in the 4 games that I had played at that time, but I don't know maybe it's just something I wasn't doing that everyone else was.

SOA2Team, thanks for putting that at the top.  Maybe it will help deter people from asking the same question over and over again, but probably not (most newcomers won't go back and re-read the 23 pages of posts, let alone the original one).

Don't take too much offense from it salemonz.  He's not referring to a single individual but the majority of the newcomers who just come in and the first thing they do is ask if they can join beta without even so much as reading the entire post.  It could be worse, they could treat you like they did Mooster (but he kinda deserved it after a while).

Just be patient and content with the 0.03c version for now.  Though the ship combat movement looks fantastic, it's not what makes or breaks this mod IMO.  The beautifully detailed textures, fact that there are Star Trek ships, and endless scenarios you can have pitting factions against eachother makes the game far more enjoyable than that fact alone.

I feel your pain Stress. Myself and a few others have taken on a project of our own (unrelated to Star Trek or Sins), and we have our own forums. We have a kid over there that assumed he was part of the dev team and capable of making decisions just because we allowed him access to the forums. We made joining the forums by personal request or referral only for a while. When people (politely) requested to join the forums, this same kid took it upon himself to ask people what they had to "bring to the project." We wanted to filter out potential trolls, but welcome anyone who liked the idea of our project and would want to play it.

There's always someone who thinks they know best for someone else's project. Such is the nature of the beast that is modding/game development I guess. Imagine how much of that crap professional game devs have to tolerate. I've seen some pretty bad cesspools on official game forums. I guess the only difference is, that they get paid.

Understandable, unfortunately thats the way the gaming world is developing - much like the real world, so its unavoidable. But good luck with the mod! I havent played SoSE for a while(mainly due to EVE) but i'm really looking forward to this mod so good luck. And Kudos to being upfront with your opinions!

Agreed, Majority of people are the ones who actually play the games, not mod the games...

(I agree with the Dev .exe too).

Sorry, double post.

I have to agree with Carott. I rarely post, but I check the boards pretty much every day. I will admit that it's hard to be patient as this mod has been a long time coming and the beta testers seem to be having a great time playing it. I am a huge fan of your work, Stress, and I was around back when you were working alone asking for help. In fact, I have been checking regularly since before vanilla sins was even released and I recall you had some sort of team that fell apart. I would have loved to help back then if I had any computer skills, but navigating the internet and using my word processor are basically the extent of them. But that one time you did ask for input on the mod my friend Strikrr and I responded. We've also never asked to be a beta tester because we are dutifully complying with the rules. And we are certainly not children. Anyway, hopefully you now realize that you have many mature and grateful, if silent, fans.

Ouch... I think I walked in at a bad time.

Stress, I understand what you're saying, but alas I wasn't here when you guys started. However, I am now... what can I do to help? 

I don't know what program you're modeling or texturing in, but I have an older copy of Lightwave (5.6) I can fire back up (assuming it works on Vista). Here's a couple pics of models I did about 4 years ago, before I got to busy to play with animating.

Guys, i don't know if I can help or not... but I'm sitting here with a half busted back andna lot of nothng to do.  If there is someway I can help.. BESIDES Beta testing... then please let me know. I'd be glad to do what I can.

I agree nice models Just_jim

Naw, he's always grumpy man, why do you think his screen name is Major Stress?  Oh and BTW those are some impressive pics you got there, hey Major Stress, maybe you might have another person to work mesh textures with ya?

Sure Loki.  I am rev'd up and ready to go, you just IM me what you want me to start working on and I'll see what I can't do.  Thanks for giving me a chance and everything, hopefully all this new talk about more people coming will help reduce all of your teams burdens.